FF14 and toxic positivity

[Jeeqbit]

Okay but why do discussions on the forums turn into something that has to be won? That's how threads devolve into arguments where people are just spewing insults at each other. It's an open forums where people express opinions and ideas, no matter positive or negative. It's not about people battling each other. Not every discussion has to be a fight. It's extremely unfortunate that you feel the need to approach discussions in that manner

They do need to be a fight, because a lot of people make criticism of the game without understanding why it is the way it is or why their criticism can't be be addressed. The developers don't post much to defend themselves, so if players don't do it then no one will. If no one plays the defense, there will only ever be negativity like how wow is and that is not good for the game either.

[Lauront]

They do need to be a fight, because a lot of people make criticism of the game without understanding why it is the way it is or why their criticism can't be be addressed. The developers don't post much to defend themselves, so if players don't do it then no one will. If no one plays the defense, there will only ever be negativity like how wow is and that is not good for the game either.

And what if you're up against concerns for which there is a lack of a suitable/strong defence? You can relay the perspective of the developers (to the extent that you're aware of it), but I don't understand what "winning" has to do with it. It is incumbent on the developers to convince consumers to consume their product. This isn't a court case. Trying to play it like one won't work.

[Jeeqbit]

And what if you're up against concerns for which there is a lack of a suitable/strong defence?

Then maybe the defense will concede and agree with the criticism. An example is the widespread acceptance by a lot of people that "ARR is slow and turns a lot of people away". You don't see a lot of disagreement with that when someone says that in the game.

You can relay the perspective of the developers (to the extent that you're aware of it), but I don't understand what "winning" has to do with it.

Winning doesn't really matter, my point was that if someone makes a criticism and then can't handle the debate that follows and instead goes and says "the FF14 community has toxic positivity" then maybe it's either because they could not think of a way to defend their criticism, or maybe the majority of people just don't agree with the criticism. Neither case necessarily means that "toxic positivity" exists. This is what my original point was saying.