No one logged in today because of Lost Ark

[Driavna]

I honestly think hardcore players would enjoy Lost Ark more than FF14

If by hardcore you mean trying to keep up with the gearing curve I think most will quit or go casual. Having alts (as many as your time allow) and do daily/weekly stuff is "mandatory", this alone will burn out almost everyone. I actually think Lost Ark is better for casuals since is packed with secondary content. Also, casuals will have more gold to spare to buy cosmetic/pets and the like from whales (in particular if you play on NA servers).

But yes, having the ability to customise skills and progressing beyond gear I think is super cool. Pity isometric stuff is just not for me. Oh, as a plus is totally free and for a Korean MMO you can actually be a F2P player and had a good time.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Elden Ring and Total War: Warhammer III will eat up some of my FF14 time for sure.

Then there's waiting for the rest of the Super Robot Wars: 30 DLC to hit so I can finish my NG+ save.

Not touching Lost Ark. I've played Gachas to years. I can feel its predatory nature pouring out. That is not a rabbit hole I ever want to fall back into.

[MidnightEquinox]

The reason it could be considered pay to win is that with premium currency you can buy the things you could buy with ingame currency, without the grind (which is the same thing that WoW has).

I don't know what modern WoW has anymore, but being able to buy in-game money with IRL money hasn't been OK since EVE Online and it still isn't OK now. Especially in a grindy game, the incentives are just terrible then.

My understanding is that, in Lost Ark, you can effectively buy your gear with IRL money.

The main P2W thing FF has that I'm aware of is MSQ skipping. You cannot buy gil with IRL money as far as I am aware, that's why you can't even trade Mogstation items, since that'd become the same thing. So, yeah, being able to trade cash shop cosmetics is immediate P2W.

Also, combat in new world to this simply doesn't compare.

I can aim with a bow with a crosshair and everything and projectiles are registered? Tanking involves actual blocking and stamina management?

[Conundrum]

Not going to play it since I don't like isometric camera angles. However, the amount of uniformed comments are at the level of "FFXIV is just a weeabo game kek".

Do educate us then, which comments are uninformed?

[MidnightEquinox]

I can't play it here in the Netherlands. That tells me its prob full of gambling and other shady stuff

Right, NL banned lootboxes, didn't they?

[drtasteyummy]

Oh no, they'll come back in only some weeks or months. It's a good game but the endgame premise is way too different from FFXIV to be any "threat". It's not a casual game nor does it really have good social aspects. Although you don't "need" to pay to really progress they literally have 3 different shop tiers, tier 1 pay nothing and be the absolute loser probably only pvp players since they don't get any shop bonus, tier 2 is pay like 30-40 euro a month to get the most worthy subscriptions and tier 3 is literally open end bonus to rip off whales aka upgrade material and card packs. A lot of people celebrate this Studio but it's extremely scummy to me, all implemented currencies and systems are the textbook definition on how to scam people into paying like a casino.

[Knot_D]

Well, first of all, the genderlock class is my number one reason that I don't play those kind of MMO. It's such a dumb reasoning to lock class over a race and/or gender... And the other reason is, the gacha system to upgrade gear. Literally P2W behavior...

Dunno why every Korean MMO are like this...

[Tlachtga]

I'm surprised people aren't more wary of eastern MMOs, for the most part they're just all flash, no substance, designed to make a quick buck

you just described the entirety of Shadowbringers.

[VirusOnline]

you just described the entirety of Shadowbringers.

ah, yes, I remember
something something viera, hrothgar, blu

[GrizzlyTank]

Tried Lost Ark, got annoyed by the poor naming rules.

Went back to a cozy single player game.