What actually happened to white mage?

[sharknado]

So in term of ratio of skill-level and expected output, WHM is fine.

Overall yes, although after leveling tank jobs I would rename few WHM spells and delete freecure Cure III should be something like "Group Cure", Cure II -> Cure, while Cure I some alternative name, like "Healing touch" or something, indicating it's much weaker (or make a smart Cure combining I/II in a way to make it even more dumb-proof).

And to some extent WHM problems aren't meta related, but fun/playstyle - as most jobs are for 99% players are defined by their playstyle and visuals... but if they want to change that they would have to de-ARR it just like Summoner.

[Averax]

I'm fine with WHM being the GCD healer. It's not a problem. Just buff misery to make it dps neutral. I would revert Thin Air, or give lilly consumption the added benefit of restoring MP. And give WHM an extra dps rotational button. WHM brings no utility beyond damage reduction, and therefor its damage is what it brings. It's okay if it's simple, but just like spice it up a little bit or something.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Swap Tetragrammaton/Assize to GCD and Afflatus Solace/Afflatus Rapture to OGCD. And maybe swap the MP recovery from Assize to the Lily spells. And maybe not losing Lily charges on death...

Liturgy of the Bell, as far as I can tell the heals from it only goes off if the WHM takes damage, meaning most of the time it's just a 15s delayed AoE heal. I would like the ability to trigger it early similarly to how AST doesn't have to wait the full 20s for their Earthly Star to go off... Also 3 min CD is a bit long for it.

[zabu]

Eh, I'm pretty sure he speak for ALOT of people, because all the things he said is correct from an objective point of view, while yours seem to coming of as a bit egocentric. And I don't even know you are aware, but you're basically agree with what he said 100%. (Ask yourself why you doesn't fall asleep on AST while consider the other 3 braindead, and Liam's post is basically the explanation).


I personally don't think there is an issue with WHM, and if there is it is not as bad as people think. There is nothing wrong with the philosophy behind the design of the class, the problem is more on the players that can not reconcile the fact. Yes, it has been saying repeatly, but that doesn't make it become any less of a fact: WHM is a mechanically simple healers that would allow new players to pick up easily and do their expected role fairy well. And by role, I mean "keep the party alive while contribute enough DPS that it's not a deadweight". So in term of ratio of skill-level and expected output, WHM is fine.

It only becomes NOT fine when people start talking about the meta and making comparison they shouldn't be making in the first place. There is literally no point in comparing WHM to any other healers, and especially not to an AST. A new AST will peform 10x worse than a new WHM, just like there would be no justice if a WHM can match an AST in performance while doing a lot less.


I feel the complains about current WHM is a "I want a cake and eat it too" argument. And I'm saying that as a main WHM from 2.0-5.0, and currently a 6.0 AST main although I still keep up with WHM. And before anyone ask, the decision for me switching was made long before 6.0 dropped due to the static need, and have nothing to do with the state of WHM in 6.0

If you play WHM for that long, why did you play AST cuz of static need? Why your static think or ask you to play AST but not WHM? You are a healer main, if WHM is that good, how come you did not keep playing WHM and change to AST just cuz someone ask you to do so? You are literally contradict on your statement.
Meta is not the issue? Every healer should have almost or nearly same percentage of usage when we are dealing with end game content. That is what game balancing mean. If you look at the data, WHM usage in fflog is less than 10%, and guess what PF community do ban WHM in p3s during week 1 and week 2. Does that mean WHM still has no issue?
With the healing skill floor is pretty low in the game, as long as you can keep the party to stay alive, no one will realize how bad a new AST is going to be. And the ceiling floor of AST is a lot higher than WHM, so even a horrible AST can play WHM with average level

[Zer0]

AST is better than white mage in almost every single possible way.

If you took an AST and ignored card mechanics they'd still be a better performing healer than WHM is. WHM still to this day doesn't feel like they ever got anything that made them unique or stand out.

I think the two worst performing jobs in game are DRK and WHM. Both were beyond fixing with minor potency changes. So As much as I hope they'd get a .1 patch redo, I doubt they will.

Devs seem to have a giant hatred for them and knowing how they work, they'll end up buffing AST instead.

[technole]

People need to learn to use Thin Air on-cooldown with any GCD heal. I even saw someone said it's only for emergency Cure II, or saving for raises. Yeah, that's your problem right there. Use it for every Medica II you ever cast, don't sit on-charges and let it drift. That's lost 'free' MP.

Like good scholars keep Aetherflow on-cooldown, and they nerfed MP with that job as well but it's straight forward if you keep up with ED use you'll stay afloat.

[Yeol]

They need to make lilly DPS neutral.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The fact that all 3 other healers are playing the ”DPS gain vs DPS neutral options”-game whereas only WHMs gets the ”DPS neutral vs DPS loss options”-game when they have to heal is already insulting as it is.

People need to learn to use Thin Air on-cooldown with any GCD heal. I even saw someone said it's only for emergency Cure II, or saving for raises. Yeah, that's your problem right there. Use it for every Medica II you ever cast, don't sit on-charges and let it drift. That's lost 'free' MP.

Like good scholars keep Aetherflow on-cooldown, and they nerfed MP with that job as well but it's straight forward if you keep up with ED use you'll stay afloat.

At some point I just use Thin Air for Glares just to have it on cooldown lol.

[kaynide]

I personally enjoy whitemage as it is. It’s straight forward and easy to play. I like the simplicity of it, and don’t really need to plan ahead all that much.

For me, I’d say cure 1’s free cure proc should extend to other abilities to encourage small feeds of healing instead of massive overhealing. Even if just cure 3. Even better if it allowed insta cast of glare.

Like, I tried Sage and do like it, but the added step of turning my heal into a shield or attack into a dot was a big turn off. I’m sure it’d be easier once I play it more..but here and now Whm is great.

[Averax]

I personally enjoy whitemage as it is. It’s straight forward and easy to play. I like the simplicity of it, and don’t really need to plan ahead all that much.

For me, I’d say cure 1’s free cure proc should extend to other abilities to encourage small feeds of healing instead of massive overhealing. Even if just cure 3. Even better if it allowed insta cast of glare.

Like, I tried Sage and do like it, but the added step of turning my heal into a shield or attack into a dot was a big turn off. I’m sure it’d be easier once I play it more..but here and now Whm is great.

No white mage in their right mind is casting Cure 1 for any reason in late game content.