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    WhiteWitch's Avatar
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    Tya Awan
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    Black Mage Lv 90

    What actually happened to white mage?

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    Last edited by WhiteWitch; 02-20-2022 at 04:06 PM.

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    Aileen Pureheart
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I pray they will take lilies off the gcd, adjust some mana costs and make lily bell a 2 minute cd.

    But, knowing our luck, Sage will get a significant buff, SCH and AST will get some nice boosts and WHM will need “more evaluation” with changes possible in 6.2.

    P.S. This is dark humor, I know they will do something, just hope it’s significant.
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    Last edited by Hyperia; 02-07-2022 at 01:47 PM.

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    Oraina Fhey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperia View Post
    I pray they will take lilies off the gcd, adjust some mana costs and make lily bell a 2 minute cd.

    But, knowing our luck, Sage will get a significant buff, SCH and AST will get some nice boosts and WHM will need “more evaluation” with changes possible in 6.2.

    P.S. This is dark humor, I know they will do something, just hope it’s significant.
    I read this and was reminded of the old WoW statement "shamans are fine; learn to play".
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    Sharknado Shortcake
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alestorm View Post
    I read this and was reminded of the old WoW statement "shamans are fine; learn to play".
    Or EW is having a Cata/MoP moment when shield healers became nuts and allowing to even ignore some mechanics due to shield superiority.
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    Junhee Hatsuharu
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    Astrologian Lv 94
    So with the feedback that ShB WHM was well-received, the devs are pretty much content with the current state of WHM. They nerfed Thin Air technically and while the intention was there, making it your only next spell free was not we needed. Either people complained about WHM's MP during ShB or they just felt like Thin Air was too OP (it's not), but this lead to WHM being MP negative and with the 1.5s cast time across all healers, meant that WHM is casting more Glares than in ShB and consuming more MP. They left WHM''s other MP refund Assize a measly 5% while buffing SCH's Aetherflow refresh to 10%.

    SCH having a 1.5s cast time now is able to properly weave in their oGCDs and have a better grip on their healing output. So they are less punished for casting Ruin 2 if they needed it during long movement. WHM can still lose lilies to move but only during long movement and with the cast time change, they lose more DPS by doing so therefore making lilies less valuable. Because back then, using a lily for weaving/long movement was a net gain because you would have lost a cast anyway and now that you can weave their oGCDs properly, lilies feel bad to use.

    WHM lacks healing that doesn't hamper their damage upkeep. For a healer that is selfish in damage with no raid buff, they lack enough AoE healing to actually help their party. Played optimally, your co-healer will double your healing with just oGCDs alone.

    On top of that, their capstone ability Liturgy of the Bell is underwhelming and uncontrollable with a horrendous CD and wasting the extra healing when it's not an Akh Morn mechanic.

    It's GCD design isn't a bad idea but there needs to be a payoff to compensate for it. For example, Misery is a reward but it's a DPS loss so that makes building it rare and unnecessary. It's normal GCD kit has the highest cost for MP while it's design is GCD healing which doesn't make sense.

    What I hope for is

    1. Misery becomes DPS neutral, making using lilies for movement and healing worth it. This would help WHM\\'s overall healing output.

    2. Making Plenary Indulgence last for 15-20s and have it be able to buff the healing actions done to the party by by 5%, this would give WHM some synergy with the other healers.

    3. Assize has 2 charges and is on the GCD, this creates weave for WHM and justifies it's current potency.

    4. Tetra having either 2 charges or its CD reduced to 45s.

    5. Liturgy of the Bell either gets a potency cut and it's CD lowered to 2 minutes or let the unused stacks (half potency) accumulate on the same button for until it comes off CD. This gives WHM some burst healing until it comes off CD again (which resets the stacks).

    6. Divine Benison breaking results in a small 10s regen or flat heal.

    These are things that I would change without making WHM "too" complicated or too much work that requires an expansion worth of dev time.
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I'd be willing to bet my housing plot that little to no impactful changes will be made to WHM come 6.1.
    At most, I see Assize getting an MP buff to 8-10% and Misery getting a slight potency adjustment up to 930 potency and even those 2 minor changes feel like a tall order to believe in.

    I don't trust the Devs to make WHM better. They've spent so much time and effort to screw over WHM in every expansion that the adjustments that happened in ShB felt like an oversight and they've overcorrected it in EW.
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    Duduno Wawawen
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    I really don’t see lilies ever being OGCD. That would be OP. The whole idea behind WHM is extremely powerful GCD heals. Trading glares for a big fat heal. It’s not an oGCD healer, and if lilies became oGCD they’d have to be severely nerfed to the point that you’d still have to cast a GCD anyway to get ppl topped without chadding your cohealer’s resources, otherwise WHM would just be stupidly OP
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    Zabu Jinjahl
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    White Mage Lv 90
    If you go ask around, most people will say WHM is fine, but is actually not, Say, MP problem, I do need to do some MP management in P4S during week2. cuz ppl don’t use their mitigation properly, and plus WHM glare like nuts now with 1.5 secs gcd. But that is not normal case. SE do changes for majority not minority
    Additionally ,too many people just take WHM into some instance and focus on DPS instead focus on healing , plus shield is more useful than heal now, and also good sage can do more dmg than WHM, WHM got no advantage now.
    And,I played WHM since 2.0, yes every expansion, I am very disappointed on WHM changes, almost quit WHM in EW though. Overall, I personally don’t think they will change anything on WHM or big stuff in 6.1.
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    Last edited by zabu; 02-07-2022 at 04:57 PM.

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    Noel Aranea
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77 View Post
    That would be OP.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77 View Post
    extremely powerful GCD heals.
    Where?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamjeeshoul77 View Post
    otherwise WHM would just be stupidly OP
    Why?

    I don't necessarily agree that making lilies oGCDs would be the correct way to fix WHM, but all of these claims about how OP WHM's GCD heals are are utterly preposterous, and you would know if you play healers at all (or you know, read the skill tooltips).
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