Does 14 Promote a Culture of Mediocrity?

[Kaurhz]

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Bit late to this one. But no it is not my place to do so but when someone doing so potentially comes at the cost of a group acting uncivil to one another, and if they cannot get around that without throwing around remarks then arguably they shouldn't be teaching regardless of your own personal feelings. I never said only experts should teach, but only those with a sufficient enough of a tenacity not to resort to crying after 15 minutes, or if it'll just result in insults being thrown around. By all means if you want to pat the back for people that do this and say it's ok, then by all means. But me? I'd rather these people just not until they have had a proper look at their own attitude. If you don't have enough tenacity to follow through without resorting to insults, and if you cannot adapt then don't bother - Again, if someone explains something several times in the exact same way as all the previous times and then gets angry and pretends like they could not have done better, nor done any wrong, then I'm going to just say no. Regardless of your own personal feelings on that matter. My definitions of teaching and learning I don't think have really been stated - Just the expectation that I have and the reality of the issues. Again, that people should feel so inclined that they cannot help people or give feedback on peoples' playstyles without the risk of being banned or sent to the GM is just weight towards this.

I wish this were true, and in many cases it arguably is, but as I have said people go into a duty with the expectation of a smooth run, when that is compromised people generally tend to get a little annoyed. There's practically threads and subreddits dedicated entirely to this. I would beg to differ that people do absolutely care. As you've claimed me to be moving the goalpost, equally players move the baseline for what constitutes as contributing, ironically I've had many cases where people have resorted to having fits because slow pulling, or have had fits because tank decided not to LoS to force mobs using ranged attacks all in 1 clutter. (Little throwback to the first pull of AV with the kets). I think the only thing I'm willing to even remotely agree on is that I don't think the toxicity or the majority comes from the top. Arguably I've actually found those players to be the most receptive or empathetic. But midcore? Now that's an entirely different slugfest of people trying to preach standards that they themselves cannot reach. Most of the toxic encounters I've had in this game have been related to this.

In any circumstance this thread has been derailed sufficiently enough on this topic, so I'm probably not going to bother even replying to the next, regardless.

FFXIV hardcore raiders are like wrestlers intentionally going into a kindergarten to beat up some kids then complain to the teachers why everybody here is such a loser

This is one hell of an analogy.

[Driavna]

Certain someone, you know who you are, remind of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ (Argument - Monty Python)

[VelKallor]

I thought this post looked familiar, and guess what. From the WOW forums.

On Steamchart , FF14 already lost -30% Players in 1 Month after expansion release

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...-month/1175287

[Colt47]

Mediocrity is a choice in FFXIV. A lot of people choose to be mediocre because that's all you need to be to clear the content in the MSQ and mainstream, but there's plenty that want to challenge themselves and put a lot of time into higher end content. Albeit, there's also quite a few people who definitely should be spending more time learning how to do proper rotations and use skills that somehow end up trying to do savage. I won't say that they shouldn't be doing savage, but I will say they need to be humble and understand their shortcomings.

[kpxmanifesto]

As the title ask, does 14 create and promote a culture of mediocrity within it? I say it has been sliding that way since ShB. The healing and tanking roles have been reduced to dull, hollow shells of what they were in HW and SB. The skill celling and floor no longer exist for these roles. DPS roles are heading in this direction as well with all the flavor and mechanical complexity being slowly striped away. See the removal of synergy and reduction of positionals, and reduction of punishment for rotational screw ups. These issues, however, are nothing compared to how the community and general attitude have shifted toward shielding the bad from valid criticism, and a general apathy towards self improvement. Even the devs have admitted to designing content in this manner. It's all quite disheartening, given 14 was at in time one of the most mechanically engaging MMOs.

Yep. SE is a company whose goal is to make money, and if they make the content too "difficult" they might scare off customers.

[IdowhatIwant]

agree that the healing classes don't feel rewarding. I've seen people running 90 expert roulette without any healers now. I'm wondering... what is square doing with game design that you don't need a healer for 4 man content? Like why have tank/heal/dps if you just need 4 bodies? Give everyone a healing skill like GW2 and call it a day at that rate.

We really only needed one regen and one shield healer. Like, astro gives the same results as white mage, but you need to put in 200% more effort. I played it in umbra savage last year for like one night, and i was like...nah. Too much mechanics are going on to be looking at screen, your buttons, dealing cards all at the same time, etc...

This thing they have done to the healers is noticeable in the tanks too. All of them have an invuln, two aoe skills and a stance. Why level 4 of them up when they all do the same thing tbh?

Do you look for a expert roulette group in the PF? Otherwise you can't run roulette with out a healer. Why you making up BS?

[Xaruko_Nexume]

??? FFXIV is a themepark MMO lol

BDO is a sandbox MMO

I've had some discussions with people in which I describe this game as the perfect marriage of sandbox and themepark design. It's awesome as a themepark in that your are spoonfed what was months for me, of some of the best story I have ever encountered in any form of media. You almost never run out of on rails stuff to do.

But as a sandbox, the options you have are almost limitless. Crafting, RP, venues, Bard performance, collecting, side quests, glam, PotD, HoH, Eureka, Bozja...it goes on and and on and almost all of it is completely optional. Not to mention all the content I see players create for themselves. It's wonderful.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

FFXIV hardcore raiders are like wrestlers intentionally going into a kindergarten to beat up some kids then complain to the teachers why everybody here is such a loser

hahaha woke up my cat laughing at this. Its so true!

[zabu]

agree that the healing classes don't feel rewarding. I've seen people running 90 expert roulette without any healers now. I'm wondering... what is square doing with game design that you don't need a healer for 4 man content? Like why have tank/heal/dps if you just need 4 bodies? Give everyone a healing skill like GW2 and call it a day at that rate.

We really only needed one regen and one shield healer. Like, astro gives the same results as white mage, but you need to put in 200% more effort. I played it in umbra savage last year for like one night, and i was like...nah. Too much mechanics are going on to be looking at screen, your buttons, dealing cards all at the same time, etc...

This thing they have done to the healers is noticeable in the tanks too. All of them have an invuln, two aoe skills and a stance. Why level 4 of them up when they all do the same thing tbh?

i totally agree, the game is way DPS oriented , playing healer is not rewarding, 90% of skill healer do is DPS. but some people just player healer class to get carry especially in extreme and savage since the bar is so low

[BaconBits]

Do you look for a expert roulette group in the PF? Otherwise you can't run roulette with out a healer. Why you making up BS?

Premades don't need to meet role requirements, WAR + 3 DPS for Expert Roulette has been a thing for years now.

Check yourself.