Does 14 Promote a Culture of Mediocrity?

[Kandraxx]

One word: controllers. You don’t really have much freedom if you have to also cater to people that are “handicapped”.

In fact I’m already curious how Microsoft is going to butcher WoW to bring it to Xbox, it might just become the same. Try to imagine playing a TBC heroic dungeon where people can be one or two shot in the blink of an eye with a controller.

[BigHoffie]

I can assure you you're mediocre or bad at at least one of your hobbies, unless you literally have like just the 1 hobby.

I'm mediocre at this hobby. I'm not "punting a basketball down the court" bad at any of my hobbies. I feel like i was pretty clear in what I typed the first time.

*Edit: and while I may be mediocre or bad at any number of hobbies, I sure as hell dont try to be. Or get angry if my lack of skill ruins someone else's time. This isnt a stamp collection, its a game played with other people.

[Gaethan_Tessula]

One word: controllers. You don’t really have much freedom if you have to also cater to people that are “handicapped”.

In fact I’m already curious how Microsoft is going to butcher WoW to bring it to Xbox, it might just become the same. Try to imagine playing a TBC heroic dungeon where people can be one or two shot in the blink of an eye with a controller.

If people can play fighting games at a professional level on pad, people can play at a high level in FF14 on pad.

Heck, look at high-profile Devil May Cry 5 players; a good deal of them play on controller, and the APM for some of those combos is higher than most MMOs. On the level of micro in older RTS's, even.

Controllers are a factor in keeping the maximum number of skills on a job limited to ~32, but not for movement, undertuned trivial content, removal of aggro management as a mechanic, the terrible mismatch between healer and content design, etc.

[MidnightEquinox]

"punting a basketball down the court" sounds like not actually playing basketball. The in-game equivalent would not be relevant to any of these various threads talking about mediocrity or what not. It's closer to things like trolling, being AFK, playing while severely incapacitated (high), etc. But none of those have anything to do with skill. You can be great at the game and troll or you can be terrible at the game and troll, so I assume that's not what people mean when they're complaining about mediocrity or toxic casuals.

[Haruka_R]

And yes farming tomes for that wow +10 item level gear isn't rewarding, impactful etc, you gonna glam that piece of gear immediately to mog shop items.

Lol. 100% true can confirm.

[Zsolen]

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No one should be shunned from teaching. Yes, some people can get better at it. Being toxic is not a good way to do it (I never said it was), but you should not cast doubt on those wanting to teach. Teaching in this game has been largely successful by many people, myself included. You are simply casting doubt at it's effectiveness under the guise that people don't really care. That's goes against basic human nature.

Someone not being receptive to being taught is not an inability to teach. It's stubbornness on the part of the other person. It has nothing to do with teaching or learning. Is it possible to get through to people? Yes. Does it always work? No.

Someone berating someone is not teaching them, and it is not common at all in this game. Although at 'higher' levels of play, people are expected to perform better, and it is the place where this is more likely to occur. Most gameplay is not 'high level.'

At more casual levels of play, people are expected to still participate and actually contribute in some way to the clear or win a match. Most of the toxic behavior and stubbornness to learn comes from individuals cloaking themselves in the mantle of 'casual' in order to protect themselves from being 'criticized.' It's an insult to people that casually play the game to be lumped in with those that get carried in the game, because they don't want to put in effort.

You keep using the second person in your scenarios.

[AziraSyuren]

Also, I'm a little late, but aggro management was terrible and I mald every time I see someone suggest bringing it back.

No thanks. Not everything that makes the game easier is bad.

[Kaurhz]

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They shouldn't but unless they have certain mentalities that are suitable to creating a tone or place that is conducive to such then some people either need to reshape their mindset or just leave it alone. I'm casting doubt on the basis that people create unrealistic expectations, do so whimsically and then get pouty when it doesn't work. Generally I would say developing it isn't entirely a bad thing but if people aren't open to the idea that they're wrong or inadequate at explaining something at the time then just.. It's a lovely notion and all, don't get me wrong, but if the objective is to actually do it effectively and produce results then I would beg to differ. There is a point where it's more of detriment than an advantage.

Someone not being receptive is for a myriad of reasons, including a level of stubbornness, but equally an incompatible and inadequate 'expression' of teaching. If you try and explain something to someone several times and they don't understand or show a level of understanding then you try and reshape how you've conveying that information. Explaining it? Try bumping up a GIF or even go on MS paint and try to do so visually. Certain pieces of information are better suited to this. 1+1 does not always equal 2, so to speak. Adapt yourself to it. Beyond a certain point people show reluctance but I see many people try to explain something, then explain it the exact same way for the next 4 pulls and wonder why they still don't understand - To many people the whole 'didn't explain it very well' doesn't really register as a possibility- and they immediately jump to the conclusion that they're dense.

My experience would be to the contrary, unless that particular duty was already stated for learning, It's definitely more common in higher-end duties but these mentalities only permeate in all fields of content, regardless of the difficulty of said content. People crying and being toxic because someone is single pulling on a duty. Being berated because people have some understanding that the Cure II proc from Cure I is a good idea. This almost stems entirely from the fact the designers have elected to maintain this particular piece of design. I've already unfriended several people because they whine about this. Again this permeates through all content regardless of the difficulty of said content.

and who determines what constitutes as a contribution, or sufficient enough? Not using cooldowns and core skills is something entirely different to someone that is single pulling, be it out of nerves or gauging the ability of other members in the party before pulling bigger, as just 2 common examples. Is it optimal or the best course of play? Of course not, but it's a contribution all the same, or is that going to be denied because it doesn't conform to a persons ideals of a 14 minute duty. I would wager that it isn't people cloaking themselves in the mantle of a casual but rather simply people just creating an inappropriate umbrella term to address those that aren't conforming to standards. This is why I mention it being attached with a negative connotation. - Many people on this forum have used the term casual to address less skilled players. Despite the very fact this game has many adequate casual players.

Irrelevant, really. I think it should be a given that I'm not necessarily addressing you personally but just the audience in general that are otherwise reading. The point still applies regardless, but I'll try to accommodate if it bothers you.

[Thoosa]

Promote? No, I don’t think so.

But it could do more in teaching a rotation and what basic mechanics do but I assume they expected the Mentor system to be a thing.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I don't think it promotes it. It certainly does nothing to sway away from it though