FFXIV Has the Population to Support an ELO system for Duty Finder / Party Finder

[Kolaina]

Hard pass. One of the fundamental pillars of this game's design is getting people to play together, regardless of skill level. Ranking systems in other games have only served to encourage exclusionary behaviors, to the game's detriment. Party finder's what it is for a reason and there's always the option to create statics. If people aren't able to perform as people expect in them, then they get the boot. General open-community play should never be restricted.

One of the benefits of playing together should be learning from each other. It’s watching and listening to others that made me realize back around brayflox in ARR that maybe I wasn’t doing it right. Unfortunately we have a community set on keeping players stagnant at a low performance level, they may as well just auto run through content while others play for them

[MaxCarnage]

I'm not going to say I support this idea, 'cause I don't. But there comes a point where people have to take a look at themself and ask if they are the problem. This comes on both sides, of course. The people who expect everyone to be 100% optimized, and the people who act as if all they should ever be expected to do is just show up.

I see a lot of people use the excuse of "it's just a game, not a job. I play to have fun, not try-hard". And that begs the question; why is your fun more important than anyone elses? Why does your fun have to bring others down? I personally don't find a duty taking twice as long to be enjoyable. I don't enjoy spam healing or dying as a tank because I ran out of cooldowns from things dying too slow.

I know skill levels are varying. I don't expect everyone to play the same. But I also don't appreciate my time being completely wasted.

[Asmodai]

One of the benefits of playing together should be learning from each other. It’s watching and listening to others that made me realize back around brayflox in ARR that maybe I wasn’t doing it right. Unfortunately we have a community set on keeping players stagnant at a low performance level, they may as well just auto run through content while others play for them

It's a specific contingent who is terrified that other people will see them as not being good even though they are not even doing the content where people would be looking. They have this idea that elitists are lurking around duty finder content waiting for them so they can berate them. It's all in their head.

[MidnightEquinox]

If you think people berating others for insufficient (in their eyes) skill never happens, I invite you to play a few matches of Dota 2. For bonus points, pick Meepo.

[Lium]

Isn't this what savage/ex is for? I understand they don't have savage for dungeons but as others have pointed out, you can make your own party for that.

My issue with posts like the OP is this odd notion that FFXIV dungeons are so difficult they require some type of Elo system to calculate the skill level of players. There is nothing in DF that requires an Elo rating method. Mostly because - and I think this is the main point - the vast majority of dungeons in this game come from the MSQ and are tied to it. There is no way SE would gate story progression behand a skill-rank system.

The only way they could do something like this would be for optional dungeons. And even then, I don't think it's necessary. People make mistakes. People fail mechanics sometimes. Tanks may single pull. You might actually wipe occasionally. All of this is part of gaming. The forums really blow this kind of stuff out of proportion. If you didn't know anything about the game and just browsed the forums, you would think grouping in this game is a nightmare of fail.

It isn't. You might get a bad player or someone that doesn't know their job or role. It isn't the end of the world. It happens in every multiplayer video game out there.

[Thi]

I'm not going to say I support this idea, 'cause I don't. But there comes a point where people have to take a look at themself and ask if they are the problem. This comes on both sides, of course. The people who expect everyone to be 100% optimized, and the people who act as if all they should ever be expected to do is just show up.

I see a lot of people use the excuse of "it's just a game, not a job. I play to have fun, not try-hard". And that begs the question; why is your fun more important than anyone elses? Why does your fun have to bring others down? I personally don't find a duty taking twice as long to be enjoyable. I don't enjoy spam healing or dying as a tank because I ran out of cooldowns from things dying too slow.

I know skill levels are varying. I don't expect everyone to play the same. But I also don't appreciate my time being completely wasted.

This is my exact reasoning on this post. I consider myself somewhere in the upper-middle range of players, not hardcore enough to be an elitist, but I enjoy challenging myself.

It is slightly infuriating that there is a very good chance if I group with random players via DF that at least one party member is seemingly not even trying to play the game, and you can't even bring up the topic because you will get reported for harassment.

[IdowhatIwant]

This is a terrible idea.

[MidnightEquinox]

And that begs the question; why is your fun more important than anyone elses? Why does your fun have to bring others down?

Because none of that is happening. When you sign up for the duty finder, you sign up for its inherent randomness. And then you have fun with that or you don't. But if your fun explicitly relies on another person behaving a certain way, think about what you're actually saying.

People playing poorly in dungeons does not bring me down, because I don't care, it's life. Every run is different and the social element is part of that. Trying to figure out where to compensate based on the behavior of the party is in itself an interesting game for me.

It brings you down. Because you choose to feel brought down by it, and, subsequently, end up entitled to a specific of behavior of another. Which is kind of not OK. You don't get to assign rules on how a dungeon should run based on what would most benefit you.

You know why people often respond negatively to things like unsolicited advice and other thinly veiled attempts at controlling behavior? Boundaries.

[Vahlnir]

Because none of that is happening. When you sign up for the duty finder, you sign up for its inherent randomness. And then you have fun with that or you don't. But if your fun explicitly relies on another person behaving a certain way, think about what you're actually saying.

People playing poorly in dungeons does not bring me down, because I don't care, it's life. Every run is different and the social element is part of that. Trying to figure out where to compensate based on the behavior of the party is in itself an interesting game for me.

It brings you down. Because you choose to feel brought down by it, and, subsequently, end up entitled to a specific of behavior of another. Which is kind of not OK. You don't get to assign rules on how a dungeon should run based on what would most benefit you.

You know why people often respond negatively to things like unsolicited advice and other thinly veiled attempts at controlling behavior? Boundaries.

Well said. I can't really say that I don't care what others are doing in a dungeon, because I do. But I also accept that I sign up for random players, and that is exactly what I get. Just gotta suck it up for the next 12-15 minutes and then it's on to the next. It really isn't that big of a deal to have the DF function the way it is now. The OP is making a mountain out of a molehill.

[Jeeqbit]

The game works exactly because good players are paired with not-so-good players.

On average you may get a dungeon where one player is very good and carries the other three. This is completely intended. SE wanted to design a game where if you play well, your performance will shine high above the majority who are not playing well. No vulnerability stacks, clearly know what you're doing, that stands out to anyone paying attention.

The entire point of the roulette system is that players who have already completed the content get matched with first timers to help them clear it. Because first timers are almost certainly going to be "not good", your proposal would break the entire purpose of the roulette system so that it only matches veteran players together and leaves first timers waiting 5 hours for a pop.