Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[Silly_Rabbit]

Had a quick look at amount of parses on ff logs and in normal raids summoner is 2nd in amount of parses only behind reaper. On savage it is on 4th place in amount of parses. Sounds like it's really popular after rework.

[Rolder50]

Had a quick look at amount of parses on ff logs and in normal raids summoner is 2nd in amount of parses only behind reaper. On savage it is on 4th place in amount of parses. Sounds like it's really popular after rework.

Might want to include that it's in fourth behind it's fellow caster Red Mage, whom does everything Summoner can but better.

[zcrash970]

Had a quick look at amount of parses on ff logs and in normal raids summoner is 2nd in amount of parses only behind reaper. On savage it is on 4th place in amount of parses. Sounds like it's really popular after rework.

And this is why context is important. It's behind red mage in the amount of parses. Rdm does everything better and a more flushed out job atm. It's ahead of black mage because BLM is a hard job to master for a lot of people, not party finder friendly, and offer no recover utility with raise.

So of course smn is high in the amount of records on fflogs. Its only real competition in its role is rdm, most people are going to bring BLM on speed clears and magic DPS is a very popular role.This isn't even acknowledging the fact that it's basically a new job and it's easy to play

[Gruntler]

And this is why context is important. It's behind red mage in the amount of parses.

This statement, while true, is misleading. You need to look at more than two data points to come to a conclusion.

https://i.imgur.com/zsfdXUb.png

Looking at reality, everyone except Reaper is behind RDM in total parses. That doesn't imply Summoner is rarely played, seeing as it's the fourth most played job in Savage, according to clears. Summoner is played the average amount of the casters, both by median AND by mean. Summoner is played more than every melee EXCEPT Reaper!

It's not hard to see that cries that Summoner is an underplayed job is heckin huffing the Nopium.

Rdm does everything better and a more flushed out job atm. It's ahead of black mage because BLM is a hard job to master for a lot of people, not party finder friendly, and offer no recover utility with raise.

RDM's always been a very popular job. It was popular in Stormblood, it was popular towards the end of Shadowbringers, and it's popular now. And while I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass and say that RDM isn't a good pick in pugs (far from it, it's the pugchamp), the truth is, RDM players don't care if it's op. So long as it isn't shit, they'll play it, and EW RDM plays really well. Of COURSE the second most popular job since SB is going to stay second most popular!

So of course smn is high in the amount of records on fflogs.

I mean, it is high, because it's popular. A lot of people like summoning chunky monsters. Sometimes the reason behind a job being used really is just 'It makes people have the goody goody chemicals.' It doesn't mean the job is good or bad--it just means that people like it.

Its only real competition in its role is rdm, most people are going to bring BLM on speed clears and magic DPS is a very popular role.This isn't even acknowledging the fact that it's basically a new job and it's easy to play

Magic DPS hasn't always been very popular, there've been times where it hasn't. It's gone through rough patches.

I won't argue that SMN doesn't need some tweaks but when we have jobs that are played less than half as often than SMN, it's hard to really paint a picture of SMN doom.