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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    /Block
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    /Report

    Move on, simple as that.

    It takes 2 seconds to block someone permanently, if they want to keep doing it, block again.
    It's not as simple as that at all.

    Stalkers are named so for a reason. They often have deep psychological issues. They don't poke once, realize they're blocked or their victim is ignoring them and get bored after 5 minutes. They will explore every option of contacting and harassing their victim and will stick at it for months or even years. They will follow you, make countless alts, harass friends and FC too, pester people you know for info, spread lies and rumours, whatever it takes to get the victims attention.

    In real life it's a crime for a reason. It should be treated as such online. In some cases these are dangerous individuals. Games should not enable such behavior, the company should issue strict account bans and allow blacklisting to erase all forms of contact with an individual at the least.

    It's honestly disgusting that calling someone a name or mentioning dps is a ban, but flat out stalking is fine and it's on the victim to handle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightEquinox View Post
    Now this decision I don't understand at all.
    The logic is that Square expects their customers to work everything out like adults since that's the mentality in Japan. They also feel that the "stalker/abuser/attacker" should have their feelings respected as well and think that it will hurt them to see someone removed from their friends list after being blocked. Finally, they expect us to be knowledgeable and educated about who we friend request, they don't support the idea of friend requesting people randomly.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 02-02-2022 at 11:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    since that's the mentality in Japan.
    Oh please...

    Whether they're from Japan or not, you can't talk sense to someone who is unhinged. You need someone with more power to enforce the rules to step in.
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    Last edited by Misplaced_Marbles; 02-02-2022 at 11:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles View Post
    Oh please...
    Oh, this'll be a great addition to this discussion. *Googles stalking cases in Japan.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katt_Felista View Post
    snippers
    you still haven't posted any proof about the RMT stuff in your thread about it, by the way

    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    that's the mentality in Japan.
    which is funny considering it's a country where the stalking problem is way more severe than in any western one, see literally any kind of idol, be it a group, a single person or even a virtual one, lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles View Post
    Oh please...
    But it is though, can at least say for sure it's not the U.S. way of doing things or Western. We just throw people under a bus and move on because we don't care enough and it's our normal to make drama public.

    In countries like Japan, South Korea, etc., public drama and things related to that (that we find normal) are extremely frowned upon. You're expected to be silent if things are not to your liking, even through things like bullying in schools or darker topics.

    I highly encourage you to do some research into stuff like that if you're curious.

    Here, I'll even start you off: https://youtu.be/uVdleRmNQRw
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    But it is though, can at least say for sure it's not the U.S. way of doing things or Western. We just throw people under a bus and move on because we don't care enough and it's our normal to make drama public.

    In countries like Japan, South Korea, etc., public drama and things related to that (that we find normal) are extremely frowned upon. You're expected to be silent if things are not to your liking, even through things like bullying in schools or darker topics.

    I highly encourage you to do some research into stuff like that if you're curious.

    Here, I'll even start you off: https://youtu.be/uVdleRmNQRw

    Yes and that encourages an incredibly toxic and abusive culture that gets international news attention sometimes because of how prevalent the issue is. Not exactly the best approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beytran70 View Post
    Yes and that encourages an incredibly toxic and abusive culture that gets international news attention sometimes because of how prevalent the issue is. Not exactly the best approach.
    Never said it was the best, but it's the mentality that exists. All we can do is push for it not to be the leading one in a global based game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    Never said it was the best, but it's the mentality that exists. All we can do is push for it not to be the leading one in a global based game.
    The way you phrased it in your post made it seem like it was an excuse for SE not to put in the effort, that's where I think people were getting bent out of shape about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chie_M View Post
    I don't keep up with gaming press. Who could I contact? I have screenshots of his actions stalking my main across four data centers.
    If you've documented the stalking behavior going on for a long period of time and what steps you have taken to try to get it to stop without success, contact a lawyer and discuss filing a suit against Square Enix for enabling the stalking and harassment patterns despite stalking clearly being listed as prohibited behavior under their Prohibited Activities policy.

    If it's become that persistent an issue and the GMs won't take action, then legal proceedings are your best bet.

    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    The logic is that Square expects their customers to work everything out like adults since that's the mentality in Japan. They also feel that the "stalker/abuser/attacker" should have their feelings respected as well and think that it will hurt them to see someone removed from their friends list after being blocked. Finally, they expect us to be knowledgeable and educated about who we friend request, they don't support the idea of friend requesting people randomly.
    It really doesn't matter what is expected in Japan when the game serves international clients under its user agreements. They need to keep in mind what is/isn't acceptable in other countries and enforce accordingly based on the players' residence location and local applicable laws as long as those locations are included in the user agreements.
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