What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Etheirys was always rich in aether and would have had even more of it to work with before the Sundering with the benefit of an even stronger and longer lasting Zodiark serving as a shield against the return of the Final Days.

Given that Venat, seemingly alone and in a Sundered state herself, was able to create not only a huge prison for Zodiark but a giant spaceship and an entire race of useful servants in which to run it...one can only wonder what the entire might and minds of the Ancients working together might have accomplished had Venat simply sat down and told them everything that she knew before the Final Days even manifested.

Much as how wiping out the Garleans because they couldn't easily manipulate aether wasn't acceptable in the eyes of many, so too is it not acceptable to wipe out the Ancients just because they supposedly could not manipulate dynamis easily.

It's almost like it was a force they couldn't contend with as they were.

Like trying to stop a bullet with a sheet of paper.

No one was wiping them out because they couldn't interact with dynamis. Dynamis was the cause of them being wiped out.

[Theodric]

It's almost like it was a force they couldn't contend with as they were.

Like trying to stop a bullet with a sheet of paper.

No one was wiping them out because they couldn't interact with dynamis. Dynamis was the cause of them being wiped out.

The Final Days did not wipe out the Ancients. It decimated them, certainly, though there were enough survivors to work at preventing Etheirys from being destroyed by summoning Zodiark to serve as a barrier against the return of the Final Days and also restore life to the planet.

It was Venat who wiped out the Ancients through the horrific act of genocide that was the Sundering.

[Pyro2hell3]

The Final Days did not wipe out the Ancients. It decimated them, certainly, though there were enough survivors to work at preventing Etheirys from being destroyed by summoning Zodiark to serve as a barrier against the return of the Final Days and also restore life to the planet.

It was Venat who wiped out the Ancients through the horrific act of genocide that was the Sundering.

This does raise a very important question. What exactly happened when Venat sundered the world? Did all the current inhabitants just pop out of existence or something? Did it cause 14 umbral calamities at once or was it a normal day?

[TaleraRistain]

This does raise a very important question. What exactly happened when Venat sundered the world? Did all the current inhabitants just pop out of existence or something? Did it cause 14 umbral calamities at once or was it a normal day?

If I remember, Emet explained that outside Amaurot in ShB. When a soul is sundered, a copy (a reflection) of the being is created but it doesn't have the same memories. I'd have to look at that cutscene again, but I never got the impression it was wiping anything out of existence.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The Final Days did not wipe out the Ancients. It decimated them, certainly, though there were enough survivors to work at preventing Etheirys from being destroyed by summoning Zodiark to serve as a barrier against the return of the Final Days and also restore life to the planet.

It was Venat who wiped out the Ancients through the horrific act of genocide that was the Sundering.

So what was it when they sacrificed half the remaining population to summon zodiark?

Mass murder?

And she didn't commit genocide, the souls were simply split. Proof of that aplenty in game.

If you want to say venat was wrong, that's fine. She wasn't a hero. But neither were the convocation for sacrificing their own population. They could have left it after that, but chose more sacrifice.

[MagiusNecros]

So what was it when they sacrificed half the population to summon zodiark?

Mass murder?

And she didn't commit genocide, the souls were simply split. Proof of that aplenty in game.

She sundered every soul on Etheirys and split the planet into Hydaelyn and 12 other reflections as well as creating imperfect races so they are never this single perfect race again and probably turned all sundered Ancients into Garleans with no aptitude for magic. And condemned all life to perpetually suffer in a losing battle to attain perfection under the pretense to avert the final days or perfect civilizations desiring death and ruin.

Do your mental gymnastics if you want but it is still Genocide on a massive scale. Of which both Emet/Convocation and Emet are equally guilty of.

The diffference being Emet/Convo offered a choice and Venat pulled a "Mother knows best" and decides for everyone herself without any say in the matter.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

She sundered every soul on Etheirys and split the planet into Hydaelyn and 12 other reflections as well as creating imperfect races so they are never this single perfect race again and probably turned all sundered Ancients into Garleans with no aptitude for magic. And condemned all life to perpetually suffer in a losing battle to attain perfection under the pretense to avert the final days or perfect civilizations desiring death and ruin.

Do your mental gymnastics if you want but it is still Genocide on a massive scale. Of which both Emet/Convocation and Emet are equally guilty of.

The diffference being Emet/Convo offered a choice and Venat pulled a "Mother knows best" and decides for everyone herself without any say in the matter.

Perfect races don't exist. Can see meteions findings for that answer.

[Sathona]

She sundered every soul on Etheirys and split the planet into Hydaelyn and 12 other reflections as well as creating imperfect races so they are never this single perfect race again and probably turned all sundered Ancients into Garleans with no aptitude for magic. And condemned all life to perpetually suffer in a losing battle to attain perfection under the pretense to avert the final days or perfect civilizations desiring death and ruin.

Do your mental gymnastics if you want but it is still Genocide on a massive scale. Of which both Emet/Convocation and Emet are equally guilty of.

The diffference being Emet/Convo offered a choice and Venat pulled a "Mother knows best" and decides for everyone herself without any say in the matter.

Wait what? xD

[KizuyaKatogami]

So what was it when they sacrificed half the remaining population to summon zodiark?

Mass murder?

And she didn't commit genocide, the souls were simply split. Proof of that aplenty in game.

If you want to say venat was wrong, that's fine. She wasn't a hero. But neither were the convocation for sacrificing their own population. They could have left it after that, but chose more sacrifice.

Correct me if i’m wrong, but for the two set of sacrifices the people were volunteers. Don’t believe there was any implication it was done without their consent. Only one that’s arguable for is the 3rd sacrifice but we don’t know what that life was. Venat on the other hand, got no one’s consent for the sundering, and did it all behind their back. At least the convocation let people volunteer and didn’t force them it seems

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Correct me if i’m wrong, but for the two set of sacrifices the people were volunteers. Don’t believe there was any implication it was done without their consent. Only one that’s arguable for is the 3rd sacrifice but we don’t know what that life was. Venat on the other hand, got no one’s consent for the sundering, and did it all behind their back. At least the convocation let people volunteer and didn’t force them it seems

I believe only the people in Amaurot gave consent. Not the rest of the planet.