Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[Aikaal]

Because you can actually optimize on Red Mage and there's a skill ceiling to it.
There's more decision-making involved. There's a resource you have to manage. The rotation isn't one-note believe it or not.

The new SMN doesn't have those things. You can't optimize much, the skill ceiling is non-existent, the only decision-making you do is when to summon Ifrit, there's absolutely no resource to manage and the rotation is extremely straightforward (not like what it used to be.)

The only thing I would add that you can do is speed up or slow down your rotation for gains. I slow my Phoenix in P3S by 1 GCD for the darkflames. In theory, for DPS logs, you can quicken your gems before the add phase, suicide, get res (res sickness last 100s and add phase lasts about 110s which you delay for proper pot window anyways. FFlogs don't count add phase for DPS), have your res sickness drop after add phase and have a Titan + 4 festers + Phoenix prepared for the pot reopener. That is, however, the extend of the big brain you can pull on SMN right now. P2S is outrageously cancerous. The only way to have Bahamut follow buff window is to have like 2k Spell Speed.

What people usually do is use Bahamut before add phase and just ruin III mage their add phase, it's kinda silly. However, by dying and having Titan, you average 533.33 PPS with Titan + 2 Titan GCD so it's a significant gain to make it worth. I will say, however, that it's stupid. It's stupid and big brain. New SMN is kinda stupid anyways, a fitting way to handle things.

[dinnertime]

The only thing I would add that you can do is speed up or slow down your rotation for gains. I slow my Phoenix in P3S by 1 GCD for the darkflames. In theory, for DPS logs, you can quicken your gems before the add phase, suicide, get res (res sickness last 100s and add phase lasts about 110s which you delay for proper pot window anyways. FFlogs don't count add phase for DPS), have your res sickness drop after add phase and have a Titan + 4 festers + Phoenix prepared for the pot reopener. That is, however, the extend of the big brain you can pull on SMN right now. P2S is outrageously cancerous. The only way to have Bahamut follow buff window is to have like 2k Spell Speed.

What people usually do is use Bahamut before add phase and just ruin III mage their add phase, it's kinda silly. However, by dying and having Titan, you average 533.33 PPS with Titan + 2 Titan GCD so it's a significant gain to make it worth. I will say, however, that it's stupid. It's stupid and big brain. New SMN is kinda stupid anyways, a fitting way to handle things.

Interesting, but also yes that sounds stupid. I don't think most people will even attempt to do something like that anyway.

So basically the normal person at the moment has little to no options to optimize.

[Aikaal]

Interesting, but also yes that sounds stupid. I don't think most people will even attempt to do something like that anyway.

So basically the normal person at the moment has little to no options to optimize.

It is incredibly stupid, you're all doing this to get Titan which does bring a pretty good potency spike.

What people are normally doing right now is... after Bahamut burst before the add, the burn as many strong potency spells and simply Ruin III the entire add phase because Phoenix is stronger than Bahamut. (This is also incredibly stupid and even more braindead)