Summoner - Why the new "buffs" are not working

[Grimoire-M]

Summoner can remain bottom of the meters till 7.0. Sad fact is history proves that 6.1 will most likely NOT change that it's a ranged DPS with a raise in practice, so it absolutely earns its spot. It doesn't have anything to DO that warrants a buff. And it got clears week 1 with ranged DPS that were weaker than it with bad players on the good melee when it was objectively weaker. It's absolutely fine where it is.

It needs better gameplay before it can get a buff. If one happens without the other I'd be pissed, but as is? It's absolutely fine. Whining about having to hold Swiftcast for Ifrit is an absolute joke. Energy Drains on Scholar and Lilies on White Mage are more of a loss than the .3s you're saving. Hell every other res class loses more damage than you gain if they have to raise in your place because of it. Your gain is also low enough that ping or failing to queue your GCDs properly will screw you long before it matters. Hell a single melee positional loses more damage. Some nearly twice as much. You can make up the difference by auto-attacking the boss. It's that small.

[Aikaal]

Summoner can remain bottom of the meters till 7.0. Sad fact is history proves that 6.1 will most likely NOT change that it's a ranged DPS with a raise in practice, so it absolutely earns its spot. It doesn't have anything to DO that warrants a buff. And it got clears week 1 with ranged DPS that were weaker than it with bad players on the good melee when it was objectively weaker. It's absolutely fine where it is.

It needs better gameplay before it can get a buff. If one happens without the other I'd be pissed, but as is? It's absolutely fine. Whining about having to hold Swiftcast for Ifrit is an absolute joke. Energy Drains on Scholar and Lilies on White Mage are more of a loss than the .3s you're saving. Hell every other res class loses more damage than you gain if they have to raise in your place because of it. Your gain is also low enough that ping or failing to queue your GCDs properly will screw you long before it matters. Hell a single melee positional loses more damage. Some nearly twice as much. You can make up the difference by auto-attacking the boss. It's that small.

Oh boy, you know you are the most neutral and unbiased point of view when you start by saying "Summoner can remain bottom of the meters." Just say it if you hate the job so we can ignore what you're saying.

For you're record; with proper party buffers, the proper SMN rotation is Baha > Ruda > Titan > Ifrit > Phoe > Ifrit > Ruda/Titan. Those Ifrit windows are locked and you'd lose DPS to move them.
- On buff window, Garuda swiftcast slipstream is a better DPS than using it on Ifrit. You go Ifrit first on the second minute to keep your swiftcast on the rotation so you prep it on the next buff window Ruda's Slipstream. Yes, you do have to deal with mechanics that involve you moving while casting those sweet Ifrit spells. It's perfectly fine but that tells you how optimized Summoner has little to no care about mobility since it provide 0 DPS. As a fact, the community build strats around melee uptime and Casters not having to move much.

On average, SMN should be doing about the same than RDM right now. What they need is alleviate restrictions that makes really, really, stupid strats to deal with the restrictive simple rotation. Because yeah, people still go ahead and find the best way to DPS, even if it means spamming Ruin III for 2 minutes in P3S on add phase.