Tank healing is to high

[Kabooa]

I just did the math myself.

Lets see. 30%, 10k down, another "10k" hit coming in while everything is active...

Heart: .85 * .85 * .7 = 40,460.
10k with: .85 * .85 * .7 = 5,057
10k w/0: .85 * .7 = 5,950

HP with: 24,483
HP w/o: 25,376

900 heal: ~13,500
Crit@50% modifier: 20,250

BW: .9 * .9 * .7 = 45,360 - 6000 (BW shield) = 39,360
10k with: .9 * .9 * .7 = 5,670
10k w/o: .9 * .7 = 6,300

HP with: 24,970
HP w/o: 25,600

1600 healing potency: ~24,000 (We're 10k under, so there is no overhealing)

GNB Final Total
With: 37,983
W/O: 38,876

Critwith: 44,733
Critwo: 45,626

BruShell+: 6,000
CB Shell+: 9,000

Warrior Final Total
With: 48,970
W/o: 49,600
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Show your math. I think it's off. Granted it's possible mine may be as well, but that's why its posted - so it can be critiqued.

I'm also not going to use specific GCD usage, because that varies depending on when the ability is used. Gunbreaker during cartridge combo or Warrior during IR compared to one that isn't doesn't actually have anything to do with the strength of the individual cooldown.

I'm also not going to include healer intervention. Seems irrelevant if you ask me, as an outside factor. it would be like saying "But if you have really good DPS players, then the boss died a minute earlier and this tank buster doesn't matter."

Edit: Forgot to add Brutal shell. Also forgot any sort of crit table for Warrior, but frankly I don't think it needs it. Adding brutal shell prior was just a concession that it probably would be active going into a tankbuster, but that still depends on where the Gunbreaker is in the rotation compared to when the tankbuster is incoming.

So in short, as long as the Gunbreaker crits absolutely everything, it is, in fact, better than a Warrior who crit nothing. Though if we were being fair, giving warrior both one Storm's Path and two Nascent criticals, well.

I don't think we need to do that.

[AziraSyuren]

math that is better than mine

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I actually did do the math wrong lmao
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but uh, the reason I include healer intervention as a possibility is that (going off a few random logs in the fflogs top 100 around the 70-100 range) HoC tends to overheal for a lot less than BW does. Like, HoC has 7-10% overheal, whereas BW has upwards of 40-50% overheal, so almost half of BW's healing ends up going to waste. This still results in WAR having about 1.5x HPS overall (to self, it's much higher to party due to Shake's AoE heal), but unless I'm missing something, it doesn't actually seem to impact the party's overall HPS that much. Even the fastest speedkills of P4S so far have healers healing for roughly the same HPS, WAR or no. Both healers combined only have 70 more HPS in a top 5 party without a WAR than a top 5 with one, where you'd expect something with much more powerful healing to pick up a lot more slack than it really does considering its healing is literally free.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's a lot better in theory than in practice.

[Kabooa]

The point I'm trying to make is that it's a lot better in theory than in practice.

And frankly, I don't think BW needs a nerf for single target.

That's why I specifically call out the target scaling. Nascent in ShB was good, but it wasn't stupid, and I was expecting it to get nerfed moving into EW before we got media tour info and footage.

Well now it's stupid, and I'd rather it not be stupid, but meh. Hopes aren't high.

[Absimiliard]

How 'bout that Tomahawk buff?

[Shurrikhan]

How 'bout that Tomahawk buff?

1 outlier down. Now where's the change to how Bloodwhetting scales in AoE?

[Absimiliard]

Probably never coming. Or if it does, knowing SE, they'll nerf the heal's potency across the board, rendering it worthless on ST, instead of limiting its effectiveness on AoE. Granted, nerfing it at all is kinda pointless since it only really works in irrelevant content.

[Navnav]

Again, why call for nerfs they will never give as the only place it is truly powerful is not within content they actually balance for....
When the WAR heals P4S then they will do something about it. Otherwise just stop and enjoy the game. Why or how does this affect you as a player? If a healer is whining about not healing, then write a long message to square about their stupidly easy and scripted (INSANELY SCRIPTED) fights that they design, with no random elements always within the same little square or circle with predictable damage, no variation, no room for creativity, just bland dodge mechanic like you're playing dance dance revolution for 15 minutes. Dead...

[Undeadfire]

How 'bout that Tomahawk buff?

Warrior doesn't open with Tomohawk anymore, it's useless, Provoke > Heavy Swing is the opener for better raid buff syncing.

[eagledorf]

I assume the buff is for when you're out of range due to mechanics. If it was for pulling it doesn't really need to be buffed

[Atreides]

I assume the buff is for when you're out of range due to mechanics. If it was for pulling it doesn't really need to be buffed

P4S comes to mind for that.