Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
you can safely conclude that the line of argument that Veloran is currently using about how Venat was responsible for safeguarding humanity from every adverse event in the history of the universe is rubbish.
She is responsible for the outcomes of the context that was intentionally created by her, yes.

Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
Yes, deposing him is a great idea, and surely didn’t set in motion a calamity.
I notice this is like the third time you've just ignored my comment regarding the fact that they easily could have acted beforehand. And in fact yes, with the Ascian's cooperation he could have been deposed in a heartbeat.

The fact is that calamities are not easily seen coming,
calamities were incredibly difficult to see coming. By design.
They're accompanied by massive shifts in the natural world. Persistent lightning storms, entire regions being rendered desert wastelands, constant earthquakes, deep winters, endless rainfall, and all the effects picked up before the Seventh Umbral Calamity. These are very obvious and widespread things, even for the oncoming 8UC aether was thinning everywhere and magic was failing, in just the earliest stages.

Then why did she summon the star shower and reach out to WoL before it occurred?
As I said before, we have no evidence it was even her. And if it was, it could be the very reason I previously proposed and ultimately the one that occurred - Simply mitigating the damage and saving lives as the Calamity set off.

The only way it ends up in a history book is if one is writing about our journey on the First, and even then only because a time traveler came to tell us this stuff is important.
Black Rose was used to destroy entire armies to put down rebellions within the Empire. Saying "oh, nobody would know about it" is like saying nobody would know about the chemical weapons used in WW1 or the nukes used at the end of WW2.

Minfilia only lost her body on the trip to the First,
Did you not even bother to watch the cutscene I previously linked you?

No it very clearly backfired. The Flood was only stopped by Minfilia. If not for her the First would have been lost like the 13th.
Please actually read my responses to you before posting.
They didn't actually want a Flood, that was a mistake yes, but all of the WoDs getting crystals to (little f) flood the world with Light was precisely what they wanted, and they couldn't have achieved their ends had Venat not played into this.
So she’s not only able to manipulate thousands to do exactly what she wants them to, but she’s an expert on aeronautics using aether based propulsion systems. Hell why even bother having the Sharlayans build the Ragnarök, or having the Loporrits erase arch and develop space travel, she knew it all from the start!
The Sharlayans and the Loporrits were both effectively her agents, why would she not know how much energy the ship would need? They designed the damn thing, like I said they should know exactly how much power it would need. And again she resides in the aetherial sea, IE a nigh-endless reservoir of aether, she could have just used some to communicate instead of body-jacking Minfilia and letting the First get ruined for no reason.

Remember, Mitron and Loghrif were the ones holding back the Light on the First, why would they bother doing that if when they are manipulating events to push things further towards the Light?
Are you really asking why the Ascians would not want a shard to be aspected to the Light prior to developing a plan to use that Light to rejoin it? Obviously a shard being disposed to Light would not generally be good for them before they decide to make use of that, this has nothing to do with the fact of Venat handing out Crystals of Light like candy to the point the shard and the Source became dangerously over-aspected was clearly either done by intent or a truly terrible idea.

I think you’re being unfair in your description of events.
I think that description is completely accurate.