So this game has dps checks but we can't talk about our dps in game?

[LittleImp]

You're misunderstanding the source of the shock. The shock happens when someone who is playing a video game to relax and have fun encounters someone who is playing a video game as a substitute for IRL employment/achievements. No one expects a random player to suddenly start channeling their supervisor from work, and they certainly don't enjoy it. You don't have to tell anyone that they're playing wrong. More often than not, they know, and they don't care. If they cared about your opinion or wanted your tips, they would ask for it. If they ask, feel free to constructively pipe up. Better yet, if you want to educate players, create guides and post them on YouTube, Reddit, and/or Discord. The players who care will seek them out and thank you for it. There's no need to shock anyone.

I'm pretty sure most people in this thread are speaking in the context of savage+ raiding. "Relaxing" and "having fun" are a bit of a diminished priority in that environment, and a lot of the behaviors exhibited by your hypothetical casual player would be considered extremely poor etiquette if not toxic in the context of that setting.

[Ronduwil]

I'm pretty sure most people in this thread are speaking in the context of savage+ raiding. "Relaxing" and "having fun" are a bit of a diminished priority in that environment, and a lot of the behaviors exhibited by your hypothetical casual player would be considered extremely poor etiquette if not toxic in the context of that setting.

But I was replying to this guy who specifically called out all max level players:

You quite literally have zero way to tell if you are playing good or bad, the game doesn't help you or challenge you in a way that would make you rethink your rotation. Someone could play Ice-only BLM until max level because the game won't ever tell you that's wrong, or have you fail because you are spamming Ice spells only.

This is a serious problem, because the moment someone DOES tell you that you are playing wrong, its a big shock, and a lot of people don't handle this shock very well. But can you blame either person? It sucks having people who don't pull their weight constantly hold a group hostage because no one can say anything to them. And it sucks trying to learn and feeling lost/overwhelmed because you have to go off the game to learn how to be better in the game.

My point was that they're projecting their own emotions onto the situations. The typical player doesn't feel "lost/overwhelmed" because their DPS is bad. The typical player doesn't even know their DPS is bad. There's the perception of a problem that doesn't exist. If a player feels bad about their DPS, they already have the resources to improve it if they want. Frustration is misplaced when it's leveled against a player who doesn't care. I agree that having such a player in a savage group is a source of frustration, but as I've said time and again, most casuals don't even touch savage+. If you're running savage content with players who behave that way, the problem lies in poor leadership, not in general player behavior. There are already remedies to address that situation that don't involve built-in parsers.

The problem with building the parser into the game is that the expectation of optimal performance creeps into all aspects of the game. In WoW, for example, you even see players kicked from the lowest level dungeons for underperformance. We don't need or want that in this game, too. Many have voiced their opinion that the point of the leveling experience should be preparation for savage content. I vehemently disagree. The point should be fun. Most players don't find savage content to be fun.