The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Atma]

It's a shame a lot of these ilvl cheesing players are so terrified of challenge.

And before anybody gets on my case about how "they're not challenging,

I'm not going to get on your case about it, they are slightly more challenging. In the sense that a level 80 trial is more challenging than a level 50 one.

I do however get tired of people blowing things completely out of proportion. Like these horror stories of eternally long alliance raid roulette where everyone's wiping a thousand times. Like I mean I'm sorry, but that just doesn't happen with any regular frequency outside of like maybe the first period where a brand new one launches. Maybe that's "a thing that happened to you one time" but this notion that Nier raids through ARR are like these wipe-fests full of nothing but mouth-breathing idiots is just not how it is. I just wish people would stop going by the spooooky stories of what people have told them about "that one time in Orbonne" and using it as a benchmark for what happens all the time instead of it being 1 run out of 50.

In the past 3 months, I've wiped as many times on Yiazmat as I have on Behemoth, and way less times than I have on Phlegethon

(Note: Not saying you did this. It's just a constantly recurring theme every time someone brings up how lame people cheesing alliance raid roulette is for those of us who actually like the content and experience.)

[Reinha]

Even with this, CT would still be completed faster for the same reward. That’s an issue

That's why the solution is to nerf the rewards for ilvl cheaters. Anyone playing fair would still get the full reward when they are "lucky" to CT, but someone wearing below 130 gear when their character is high level should get a tiny sliver of xp that isn't worth queuing up for.

[Quintessa]

No...not with regular frequency but 50min CFs and Towers I can almost count on 2 hands :P. Can tell you I have been one of 5 people alive for the first boss of CF because Energy Assault is just too hard :P.

Also as a friendly reminder of CT: Angra Manyu still leads in total wipes and vote abandons caused and that's with high frequency LOL.

[RyuDragnier]

Also as a friendly reminder of CT: Angra Manyu still leads in total wipes and vote abandons caused and that's with high frequency LOL.

Remember when LotA and ST were new? The amount of wipes on them? Imagine if they dropped the maximum ilvl for those two raids a little. i90 for LotA and 110 for ST. You'd see a return of those hells...and at this rate, I kind of want them to do it if only to remind people that the entirety of CT used to be as hard as WoD.

[Atma]

Remember when LotA and ST were new? The amount of wipes on them? Imagine if they dropped the maximum ilvl for those two raids a little. i90 for LotA and 110 for ST. You'd see a return of those hells...and at this rate, I kind of want them to do it if only to remind people that the entirety of CT used to be as hard as WoD.

Even better idea - ban gear swapping in the instance totally. Wanna cheese it to get LOTA/ST? Alright, fine. But you're doing it at min item level for them.

All of a sudden the magic of "just queue with lower gear to get a fast run" would be gone. And I think once people started having 25 minute CT runs, they'll start realizing how big of a problem gear cheesers actually are.

[Menriq]

Even better idea - ban gear swapping in the instance totally. Wanna cheese it to get LOTA/ST? Alright, fine. But you're doing it at min item level for them.

All of a sudden the magic of "just queue with lower gear to get a fast run" would be gone. And I think once people started having 25 minute CT runs, they'll start realizing how big of a problem gear cheesers actually are.

You missed the earlier statement. You can cheese your ilevel and queue up, then put on your normal gear because the ilevel is snapshotted at the time you queue. So your idea wouldn't solve a thing. Oh, but the next statement will be "You have to wear what gear you had on at the time you queued". They already have issues as it is, do you really think they are going to code all these additional nuances in?

[Scaramouche]

Even better idea - ban gear swapping in the instance totally. Wanna cheese it to get LOTA/ST? Alright, fine. But you're doing it at min item level for them.

All of a sudden the magic of "just queue with lower gear to get a fast run" would be gone.

Unless they changed it you can get naked, queue and equip your gear before entering.

[Scaramouche]

That's why the solution is to nerf the rewards for ilvl cheaters. Anyone playing fair would still get the full reward when they are "lucky" to CT, but someone wearing below 130 gear when their character is high level should get a tiny sliver of xp that isn't worth queuing up for.

I'm totally sure they are going to put the same amount of effort for a lower reward and absolutly not going to just autoattack the whole time.

[Atma]

You missed the earlier statement. You can cheese your ilevel and queue up, then put on your normal gear because the ilevel is snapshotted at the time you queue. So your idea wouldn't solve a thing. Oh, but the next statement will be "You have to wear what gear you had on at the time you queued". They already have issues as it is, do you really think they are going to code all these additional nuances in?

What's what I said in the post you responded to. And locking slots is (presumably) already in the code, as they do it with weapons so you can't change your class.

It's a meme reply. I know they aren't going to do it.

[Menriq]

What's what I said in the post you responded to. And locking slots is (presumably) already in the code, as they do it with weapons so you can't change your class.

It's a meme reply. I know they aren't going to do it.

I don't even know what you are saying. Nothing is locked until you are in the instance. What Scaramouche and I said is that the gear swapping happens before you even get into the instance. So what exactly are they going to lock?