The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Atma]

Can confirm, do not care. The newbie waiting in line trying to get their roulette to pop will get it to pop eventually. Like 15-20 minutes when I tried it out today for an Ivalis one just to see.

Some random player’s boredom/dislike at getting the same dungeon does not supersede my own frustration/dislike at the higher level raids.

Sure doesn't, but it also doesn't remove our ability, nor right, to advocate for change to eliminate clearly exploitative behavior.

[Themarvin]

Only one thing is needed, thatis for mentor dorks to stop saying should eat food to beat roulettes, you don't need it, and for making stuff better as it is, if you know what is going on, explain some core mechanics in the alliance chat... not a 10 minute explanation... just say don't step in this and that... it can be done with 5-6 words... if they die first time doing it.... then they know what to do next time as you mentioned it.

Be polite, ignore trolls.

[Scaramouche]

Sure doesn't, but it also doesn't remove our ability, nor right, to advocate for change to eliminate clearly exploitative behavior.

You realize if someone isn't using ilvl cheese or whatever way to force CT raid their spot would be open for you or someone else who don't like CT?
All it takes is one 59 or below and all people matched with them are gonna get CT.

[Reinha]

You realize if someone isn't using ilvl cheese or whatever way to force CT raid

Then maybe a CT raid wouldn't form at all in that moment and we could all see a different raid for once.

[Toutatis]

Someone that overleveled compared to the story doesn't need the full experience reward since they will get plenty more xp from MSQ. So it's not a penalty for them in practice.

Then a lot of people would not even queue. I wouldn’t queue any more for either CT or MSQ. It would only make queues longer in the end as it’s pretty much impossible to not over level these days. That XP is also useful to pick other classes when they become available along the way without slowing down msq progress.

Penalizing also makes no sense from another perspective: the other raids are optional. If someone has not unlocked them, even if they are lvl 90 with appropriate level gear will not make raids other than CT pop. Providing incentives to unlock and do the other raids is a much better way to address this. You also want CT to pop often as it is mandatory to progress MSQ. 2 separate roulettes may address this: many will still want the CT reward as they do for MSQ roulette.

[Scaramouche]

CT is mandatory and all players who can queue for alliance roulette will have at least LoTA/ST unlocked. Of course you get them a lot more.

[Reinha]

Then a lot of people would not even queue. I wouldn’t queue any more for either CT or MSQ. It would only make queues longer in the end as it’s pretty much impossible to not over level these days.

Penalizing also makes no sense from another perspective: the other raids are optional. If someone has not unlocked them, even if they are lvl 90 with appropriate level gear will not make raids other than CT pop. Providing incentives to unlock and do the other raids is a much better way to address this.

"A lot of people" are not so uninformed that they are doing a ton of roulettes to purposefully overlevel before completing the Main Scenario Quest. Roulettes are for the 18 alt jobs.

As for your other point, that's not the issue. The issue is people unlock the other raids then cheat to cherry pick what they get from the roulette. That goes against the principle and purpose of all roulettes, which is to be rewarded for doing a random duty among the ones that are available to you. Higher raids have up to hour long queues because of that. If the cheaters stop queuing, great. At least they won't drag other potential teammates away from the higher raids.

[Toutatis]

As for your other point, that's not the issue. The issue is people unlock the other raids then cheat to cherry pick what they get from the roulette. That goes against the principle and purpose of all roulettes, which is to be rewarded for doing a random duty among the ones that are available to you. Higher raids have up to hour long queues because of that. If the cheaters stop queuing, great. At least they won't drag other potential teammates away from the higher raids.

1. People can play and level up as they wish.
2. My other point is totally relevant to the issue. By providing 2 roulettes, there would be no point for people to equip lower gear and it encourages more players to unlock the other raids, which means more people queuing for them. Penalizing accomplishes nothing.

[Atma]

1. People can play and level up as they wish.
2. My other point is totally relevant to the issue. By providing 2 roulettes, there is no point for people to equip lower gear and it encourages more players to unlock the other raids, which means more people queuing for them. Penalizing accomplishes nothing.

1 - I mean, kind of? Within limits? Every other roulette has like minimum baseline restrictions that get added to it as players progress in level. 5/6/7/8 for example 'technically' only requires two, but the reality is it's functionally impossible to progress without adding more to it. LDR also pushes this, yet we don't see this same exploitative behavior (because people know more abilities = more AOE = faster.)

And for clarification for people who may be confused by this - yes, I call it an exploit because it is abusing a game mechanic to intentionally limit available options in an attempt to improve your personal levelling 'efficiency' at the expense of the enjoyment of people who want to legitimately participate in the content as intended. That is, by rote definition, an exploit.

2 - I'd be fine with splitting them, but the new one would still need some mechanic to force unlocks and ilvl otherwise it's just going to become freaking Void Ark roulette, just like people do LOTA and Syrcus and intentionally Ilevel limit out WOD. The overarching issue of item level exploitation needs to be addressed.

You realize if someone isn't using ilvl cheese or whatever way to force CT raid their spot would be open for you or someone else who don't like CT?
All it takes is one 59 or below and all people matched with them are gonna get CT.

If this were truly as people say, just an issue of "these are the only raids people have unlocked", or "people are below 60" we could at least at a minimum expect to see a somewhat more even distribution of raids within the CT series. We don't. WOD comes up very infrequently compared to LOTA and ST. Item level exploiters are even massively skewing the distribution within the meager pool of things available only to people who have completed the main story.

It's not just levels of players, it's not just "these are the only things people have unlocked." The distribution of raids delivered by alliance raid roulette is clearly skewed due to people exploiting item level.

[Rinhi]

Your response is still to punish

good. getting CT raids 9/10 times isn't fun