What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Stachiko]

I'm not asking you to convert anyone, but in trying to defend your opinion, you're showing why it does not make sense. Your opinion is basically based on a mischaracterization of our relationship with Venat.

Our long-term relationship with her is based on a primal and wisps of her personality. Surely, her sacrifice is meaningful, but we come to find out she made the decision all of her own whim as a singular mortal.

I'll play devil's advocate with myself and admit she had a lot on her plate. If she still intends to let the future play out how it did (Assuming this isn't a time loop and she's newly meeting us for the first time), then how she communicates doing so is absolutely critical.

"I will do this all on my own" may come off as grateful and understanding for you, but it doesn't for myself, or for others from what it may seem. It shocked me, appalled me even. Her wording could've been put a hundred different ways in order to prevent anyone such as myself from taking action against her.

I generally call it politics but I'm sure there's a better term. What is said, when it's said, how it's said are all important factors for convincing someone to take or allow action. Her wording would've invoked me to take action against her.

[ApolloGenX]

Our long-term relationship with her is based on a primal and wisps of her personality. Surely, her sacrifice is meaningful, but we come to find out she made the decision all of her own whim as a singular mortal.

I'll play devil's advocate with myself and admit she had a lot on her plate. If she still intends to let the future play out how it did (Assuming this isn't a time loop and she's newly meeting us for the first time), then how she communicates doing so is absolutely critical.

"I will do this all on my own" may come off as grateful and understanding for you, but it doesn't for myself, or for others from what it may seem. It shocked me, appalled me even. Her wording could've been put a hundred different ways in order to prevent anyone such as myself from taking action against her.

I generally call it politics but I'm sure there's a better term. What is said, when it's said, how it's said are all important factors for convincing someone to take or allow action. Her wording would've invoked me to take action against her.

Simply put- If we were an ancient... and we heard of Venat's plan (as well as the sacrifice of people for Zodiark)- undoubtedly we would try to stop her crying "there has to be another way" the entire time. So, yes she is a villian- we are just the result and back written into benefitting from her plan. I am sure if there was a rejoining and we were an ancient that had returned, we might think of the Ascians the same way.

-Oops it happened in the past, so we didn't have to see it is no excuse. Basically, we act just like tempered beings. We enforce and rationalize her will, ignore the massive damage she did and assume what she did is best for us. She manipulated all of the world and history to serve her purpose without anyone knowing why. Don't love it.