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    Quote Originally Posted by EaraGrace View Post
    Right, but none of the retcons have changed anything about the role she had. We know Hydaelyn and Ramza were connected from the Ivalice raids, we have a firsthand account for that. We have Her efforts to prevent the Seventh Umbral Calamity. We have the records messaged in the Encyclopedia of visions and blessing that we’re not the Echo being bestowed on heroes at the time. And we have Venat/Hydaelyns statements on the future, on the Rejoining and the Calamities. All points in a singular direction, that she tried to halt the Calamities.
    Once again, I am not disputing that she tried. I am observing that she had detailed foreknowledge of all that would transpire. She knew her champions would fail time and time again, yet she chose the same ones anyway. My general assumption is that the individuals she chose to empower in any given era were the most worthy, meaning failure would have been a possibility even had she taken advantage of her knowledge of future events and selected others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    Once again, I am not disputing that she tried. I am observing that she had detailed foreknowledge of all that would transpire. She knew her champions would fail time and time again, yet she chose the same ones anyway. My general assumption is that the individuals she chose to empower in any given era were the most worthy, meaning failure would have been a possibility even had she taken advantage of her knowledge of future events and selected others.
    She didn't have 'detailed foreknowledge' at all. She had our impromptu explanation, which gives her at most eight people she'd pick as champions beyond just 'here have the Blessing', every single one from the same time period (The WoL, Minfilia, Ysayle, Ardbert and the Warriors of Darkness). All of those, I should note, did their job pretty well, so no reason to waver there anyway; clearly those were good picks.

    She's got absolutely nothing on any time before then. She can't have 'picked the same ones despite failing' for stopping other Calamities, because we never told her who she picked in the first place, and therefore couldn't have told her.

    EDIT: Although I should say, we do have a reasonably good idea that she did pick champions who then did stop potential Calamities; Ramza and the Zodiac Braves were pretty much confirmed picks (and success stories), and Tenzen may have been, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    Once again, I am not disputing that she tried. I am observing that she had detailed foreknowledge of all that would transpire. She knew her champions would fail time and time again, yet she chose the same ones anyway. My general assumption is that the individuals she chose to empower in any given era were the most worthy, meaning failure would have been a possibility even had she taken advantage of her knowledge of future events and selected others.
    That I think that is fair. I’m mostly arguing against the perception that Hydaelyn had other options, and choose that above alternatives because of Her foreknowledge. Taking each choice individually, without relying on what we told her, and it still ending up that way seems the most sense to me.
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