Roleplay Party Finder Account Suspensions

[Floortank]

Thank you for the perspective. I didn't really consider it the same vein as having said infamous site being vague linked in search info when there is such a stark difference between that and using carrds to relay RP venue information. There's a reason WHY people feel like they can have carrd linked in full and what not, and I can understand where the confusion would come from. I'll see what we can change to protect ourselves in the future. I can only hope there are plenty of other folks in the RP scene and those that run venues see this and other player's experiences with being punished and see what it is that they have to change as well. I know I have already seen people not posting '18+' in their PFs this past weekend. It's unfortunate to be told the solution comes down to being vague, as that feels like it can charter into something harmful when that's what's been what everyone is trying to avoid by giving forewarnings and being clear about intentions. It seems there's hardly anything we can do about that, however, and just have to continue to be extremely cautious on a personal level, instead of wanting to mediate a whole. As I said, it's not anyone's intentions to purposefully break the rules, and no one is maliciously looking to cause harm.

It sucks that your friend got hit. But I have no doubt with your level of creativity and intelligence, you'll find a way to recover. You are sort of like a person running a Prohibition Era speakeasy. You have a similar frame of reference. Not many can say that. lol

[Eriane_Elis]

Venues are only offensive to Karens, if the venues got their order at the cafe/bar wrong or if they feel like complaining over a product, service, or a price.

People reporting others for clear and overt breaches of ToS are not being Karens. They are doing what SE asked them to do, so the game doesn't face repercussions over people being unable to conduct themselves properly.

SE: Hey, we expect people to behave themselves. Can you report the people that violate these very clear rules?
Player A: Okay.
Player B: Karen! <Insert made up assertions about and perhaps second label for Player A here> <Insert something about the rules being gray or that the rules violators are the real victims>

There's no need to report other players unless it's a serious issue. People minding their own business doing their own thing isn't a problem. You may think you're righteous for reporting random players but you're not. It just makes you a snitch.

[Zsolen]

There's no need to report other players unless it's a serious issue. People minding their own business doing their own thing isn't a problem. You may think you're righteous for reporting random players but you're not. It just makes you a snitch.

It is a serious problem. That was discussed already, so don't lay the blame with the people that are not the actual rule violators. These people would not be suspended, if they were not breaking ToS. Don't baby them.

I'm not in RP circles. Why would I be reporting anyone? I also stated previously that it was not me doing the reporting. I'm simply defending those that do so, because they did what SE asked to do. Could there be one or two going out of their way to do it? Maybe there is. But attacking people for reporting ToS violations that are a serious issue is not the way to go.

[AbysmalDuck]

There's no need to report other players unless it's a serious issue. People minding their own business doing their own thing isn't a problem. You may think you're righteous for reporting random players but you're not. It just makes you a snitch.

Except when you clutter shout and PF, you make it my business.

[Eriane_Elis]

It is a serious problem. That was discussed already, so don't lay the blame with the people that are not the actual rule violators. These people would not be suspended, if they were not breaking ToS. Don't baby them.

I'm not in RP circles. Why would I be reporting anyone? I also stated previously that it was not me doing the reporting. I'm simply defending those that do so, because they did what SE asked to do. Could there be one or two going out of their way to do it? Maybe there is. But attacking people for reporting ToS violations that are a serious issue is not the way to go.

I rarely see these listings in PF. Maybe in your world it's an issue but here, there might be one listing at a time at most. Even then, is it really that much of an eyesore? SE asked that you resolve your differences before involving a GM. They're not paying you to be a moderator so why do it if it doesn't affect you? Again, I don't like eRP and I stay away from Limsa in general but when someone send me a PM about wanting to do a photoshoot or eRP, I tell them no and they leave me alone.

Except when you clutter shout and PF, you make it my business.

Shout is a different thing entirely but it's still a personal matter, something they would rather be resolved between players. Remember when players had to resolve their differences instead of crying to a GM anytime someone said "mean" things? Of course, you can blacklist people using an in-game tool to stop hearing them and it only takes a moment and it's done. I haven't seen anyone shouting eRP requests but I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

I refuse to report because it's none of my business UNLESS they're clearly gathering bots or something like that. Just because you witness someone breaking the rules, doesn't mean you need to immediately contact the GM. They have rules, there's gray area, and if it doesn't really matter, do you really need to report someone? Probably not.

[Zsolen]

I rarely see these listings in PF. Maybe in your world it's an issue but here, there might be one listing at a time at most. Even then, is it really that much of an eyesore? SE asked that you resolve your differences before involving a GM. They're not paying you to be a moderator so why do it if it doesn't affect you? Again, I don't like eRP and I stay away from Limsa in general but when someone send me a PM about wanting to do a photoshoot or eRP, I tell them no and they leave me alone.

Did you ever read what I typed? It's not a personal thing. It's not angry mob mentality. The ERP ads and carrds, hurt the game, not the ERP itself (unless it is out in the open).

[Ranaku]

Venues are only offensive to Karens, if the venues got their order at the cafe/bar wrong or if they feel like complaining over a product, service, or a price.

People reporting others for clear and overt breaches of ToS are not being Karens. They are doing what SE asked them to do, so the game doesn't face repercussions over people being unable to conduct themselves properly.

SE: Hey, we expect people to behave themselves. Can you report the people that violate these very clear rules?
Player A: Okay.
Player B: Karen! <Insert made up assertions about and perhaps second label for Player A here> <Insert something about the rules being gray or that the rules violators are the real victims>

There is a difference between reporting players who literally harass you with stuff that affects you directly and stuff that doesn't. Like calling you names, harassing you cause of bad dps in dungeons/trials, sexual harassment and all that is reasonable stuff to report players for.

What isn't reasonable and connected with being a Karen is going out of your way to hunt down things that don't affect you directly cause you have some sort of superiority complex. Going out of your way to make peoples lifes horrible and harder even though they don't even interact with you, that is indeed being a Karen.

And speaking of SE stance on this, Yoshi P said in an interview not so long ago that people shouldn't focus on hunting down other people who use mod XYZ or some other tools etc. and instead should focus on enjoying the game. So it's really funny you think SE wants you to hunt down other players like this here is some sort of "the purge" online. Go out and touch some weed and get a bit more relaxed!

[Caurcas]

Once again posting in support of the Chad GM. Good job Chad, you should get a raise.

[AbysmalDuck]

There is a difference between reporting players who literally harass you with stuff that affects you directly and stuff that doesn't. Like calling you names, harassing you cause of bad dps in dungeons/trials, sexual harassment and all that is reasonable stuff to report players for.

What isn't reasonable and connected with being a Karen is going out of your way to hunt down things that don't affect you directly cause you have some sort of superiority complex. Going out of your way to make peoples lifes horrible and harder even though they don't even interact with you, that is indeed being a Karen.

And speaking of SE stance on this, Yoshi P said in an interview not so long ago that people shouldn't focus on hunting down other people who use mod XYZ or some other tools etc. and instead should focus on enjoying the game. So it's really funny you think SE wants you to hunt down other players like this here is some sort of "the purge" online. Go out and touch some weed and get a bit more relaxed!

It isn't hunting when it is shoved down our throats. The same people yelling "piss chat" are probably the types of people I'm talking about.

[Kes13a]

I refuse to report because it's none of my business UNLESS they're clearly gathering bots or something like that. Just because you witness someone breaking the rules, doesn't mean you need to immediately contact the GM. They have rules, there's gray area, and if it doesn't really matter, do you really need to report someone? Probably not.

interesting position.

so, how are gathering bots hurting YOU? as you say, just because you see someone breaking the rules you dont have to report them. seems a touch hypocritical