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    question about Venat and Hydrylian

    why have end get riden Hydylian

    is Hydylian is a Godess doesn't man need something to believe in. second won't cause backlash in the creation in to two and they ability of they government to collapse. see each of them are governing elemental of creations

    Hydylian is hiden governor is rebirth and life. if you defeat her doesn't cause her to be reborn still. and what of the ascian if they are dead aren't they going be reborn at some point too

    is the warrior of light the reincaration seated holder of Azam or a part of the reborn seat holder of Azem
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    Your attempt is a tad too obvious m8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    Your attempt is a tad too obvious m8.
    I don't think they're trollling given their history and what they said in their About Me TBH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    I don't think they're trollling given their history and what they said in their About Me TBH.

    If it's true then sorry but I am not aware of any writing disability that swings so heavily from correct to wrong so randomly.
    It's also a bit strange to ask for people to refer to a specific gender pronoun in the bio but then complain about people talking about pronouns in video games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    If it's true then sorry but I am not aware of any writing disability that swings so heavily from correct to wrong so randomly.
    You should see me trying to type a paragraph on my phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    You should see me trying to type a paragraph on my phone.
    I think nobody likes typing at length on phones because tiny onscreen keyboards and auto-correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    You should see me trying to type a paragraph on my phone.
    Sure, but I don't know of any disability that leads to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    why have end get riden Hydylian
    She was on death's door anyway. I would honestly be more confused if she were still around, considering they've been alluding to her steady decline in power since the end of ARR.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    is Hydylian is a Godess doesn't man need something to believe in. second won't cause backlash in the creation in to two and they ability of they government to collapse. see each of them are governing elemental of creations
    Gods in FFXIV have always been kind of weird. What we thought to have been gods turned out to be primals all along, and we still don't know the true nature of the Twelve.

    Unlike Zodiark, Hydaelyn likely saw her death coming, and probably ensured that the world wouldn't unravel or unsunder in her absence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    Hydylian is hiden governor is rebirth and life. if you defeat her doesn't cause her to be reborn still. and what of the ascian if they are dead aren't they going be reborn at some point too
    Hydaelyn, having dominion over Light, mostly controlled stasis, as it was her job to keep Zodiark imprisoned, the world sundered, calamities averted, and the endsong at bay. It's probably the elementals or some part of the Twelve that governs rebirth and life, or it may just be a part of natural law.

    The Ascians are perma-dead. Their souls were torn apart in various ways, from having them be trapped in a crystal and the crystal shattered, to being absorbed by a primal, to being manually torn apart by the WoL with a world's worth of Light aether, to willingly expending themselves for the greater good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savagelf View Post
    is the warrior of light the reincaration seated holder of Azam or a part of the reborn seat holder of Azem
    The Warrior of Light is one of the sundered parts of Azem, as in if all the shards were rejoined, the WoL would become Azem again. (if they survived the ordeal, that is)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NegativeS View Post
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    This is actually not true not for Emet-Selch and Mitron for example, their aether got freed and returned to the aetherical sea. Thus they can be reborn again. Ofc if the aether got literally shattered with an auracite they are gone. Emet for example wasn't trapped into an auracite, we just used them to basically punch a giant hole into his aether probably which caused him to die and i think he also accepted his death, unlike the other auracite deaths we also saw his aether ascending. Mitron/Artemis was the same, he spoke about being reborn with Gaia but they won't remember each other obviously.

    I think the rebirth process first occurred after the first summoning of zodiark, since then new life was basically created out of thin air which the Ancients wanted to sacrifice to bring their lost brothers back.

    Hydaelyn/Venat also just sundered aetheris and the planet is not bound to her and neither to zodiark. So their deaths don't affect the shards and planet at all besides Zodiark basically covering aetheris into a shroud of aether to protect it from the dynamis. Which we learned cause the more aether you have the less you notice the effects of dynamis. That's why the ancients didn't noticed it at all cause they were beings of pure creation magic. With zodiark and the protection gone meteion was able to reach aetheris again with her dynamis. Hydaelyn herself had no such function though, her actions were nothing she had to maintain like Zodiark, she just sundered the world and that was it and well guided the people towards defeating meteion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    This is actually not true not for Emet-Selch and Mitron for example, their aether got freed and returned to the aetherical sea. Thus they can be reborn again. Ofc if the aether got literally shattered with an auracite they are gone. Emet for example wasn't trapped into an auracite, we just used them to basically punch a giant hole into his aether probably which caused him to die and i think he also accepted his death, unlike the other auracite deaths we also saw his aether ascending. Mitron/Artemis was the same, he spoke about being reborn with Gaia but they won't remember each other obviously.

    I think the rebirth process first occurred after the first summoning of zodiark, since then new life was basically created out of thin air which the Ancients wanted to sacrifice to bring their lost brothers back.

    Hydaelyn/Venat also just sundered aetheris and the planet is not bound to her and neither to zodiark. So their deaths don't affect the shards and planet at all besides Zodiark basically covering aetheris into a shroud of aether to protect it from the dynamis. Which we learned cause the more aether you have the less you notice the effects of dynamis. That's why the ancients didn't noticed it at all cause they were beings of pure creation magic. With zodiark and the protection gone meteion was able to reach aetheris again with her dynamis. Hydaelyn herself had no such function though, her actions were nothing she had to maintain like Zodiark, she just sundered the world and that was it and well guided the people towards defeating meteion.
    I would have to disagree on that first point. In every other example of an Ascian fake-dying to retreat and reform, their soul aether balls up into a nice shadowy sphere...

    ...whereas Emet-Selch dissolved into blue aether, which is symbolism used multiple times throughout the story to signify that something without concrete physical form has died for good. Primals, the Archbishop, and Hydaelyn herself are very prominent examples. The Light aether of the first was 'the darkness to his light' as it is said in the story, which I suppose would be enough to unmake an Ascian, and I guess the white auracite Thancred blew up in his face at the end of the fight had something to do with it too.

    Also, it is said multiple times that the binding of Zodiark is an active process. He grows more powerful with each rejoining and requires more power to restrain, leading into the steady draining of Hydaelyn's strength over the course of the MSQ, from being able to protect us from Ultima in ARR, to barely being able to communicate with us with a proxy, or even make her presence known at all in EW. By the time Zodiark is killed, she's already so aether-starved that her death was certain, only holding out to be able to test us at the end of the Aitilascope.
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