Are japanese Datacenters really such paradises?

[Eriane_Elis]

Lol, you don't think this is a pretty ridiculous thing to say?

No.



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[SeiyaSoiya]

No.



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it's the truth though, the supply&demand model assumes rational consumers, rational supplies and perfect information on both sides, which is extremely unrealistic

[Lihtleita]

i think what it really comes down to is people on non-jp servers (especially na tho lets be real) have no fear of social repercussion on a community scale
if you overprice or undercut? that marks you as an asshole
drag down the dps and wipe the party? youre an asshole
buy up half the ward? asshole

all the above will lead to the jp community as a whole basically shunning you afaik.

[Illmaeran]

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

I've been playing on a JP server, Atomos, since I started in 2014 if that gives any sort of credence to my response.

1. Japanese players aren't openly toxic or negative. They're toxic within their own communities in their own ways. It's there, just not shoved in your face the way it is on Western data centers. The only people I've seen be openly angry/rude/toxic are English speakers.

2. It's easier for English speakers to make friends with other English speakers since we tend to be the minority population and need to stick together. For that reason, most majority EN FCs not on Tonberry are picky about who they let in since a lot of us tend to be EN speakers living in Japan or who have lived in Japan and rolled on a JP server to avoid the behaviors associated with Western MMOs. Also, since we're a smaller community, having asshats in the FC is much more likely to give the FC a bad reputation, which is more important on JP servers than NA/EU.

3. "Free Market Competition" in JP economies is waaaaaaay less intense than NA servers. Our economies tend to be smaller and people generally don't undercut by ridiculous amounts to get things sold. I've seen videos of people on NA and EU servers talking about Make 10 Million Gil in 60 Minutes by Selling XYZ!". You might make 500K to 1M on a JP server. If it an item is priced substantially less than the rest, people usually buy it and relist it so prices are generally more stable, if lower than the rest of the world.

<EDIT> I just sold an Ao Dai, a fairly desirable item where I am, for 195K, which was slightly more than the lowest price when I listed since I wasn't in a hurry to sell it. </EDIT>

4. #2 is patently untrue other than the lack of disagreements or debate. Direct disagreement, ESPECIALLY in public, is a serious social faux pas in Japan so you won't see arguing about things in party/raid chat. You'll just see an abandon duty vote or if you're the problem, get kicked without anything said. That's considered more polite.

5. You don't see Japanese players making inappropriate social advances for the most part. The majority of public swearing and random sexual advances have been by EN players. Japanese servers are generally quiet in public spaces due to the cultural importance on respecting others' space in public. In private? That's a different story, but it's in private.

6. In the past there were always plots available in all the housing districts on my server. Now? Every single one is taken and there's competition for any that become available.



TL/DR: Japanese servers are Paradises for those of us who live or have lived in Japan and/or understand Japanese culture and respect the fact that NA/EU/OCE EN players are the minority immigrants in their world. Japanese culture is often 180 degrees opposite from Western culture so if you're not able to abide by the social expectations on a JP server it'll be absolute hell for you. Atomos is perfect for me, is the best server I've played on in any MMO, and I'll never leave it. If I were forced to play on an NA or EU server I'd quit the game and never look back.

[Averax]

Everywhere you go, you'll find people are people, and the same things you find here, you will find anywhere else. The key differences being cultures and customs, which do not always mesh. NA, OCE, and EU get along well enough because the cultures and values are similar, but the same may not be said for these regions and pretty much anywhere in Asia.

I'm not against the datacenter visit thing, but i understand their apprehension about whether or not to put it in, because it could be perfectly fine on the one hand, or just breed animosity on the other with the culture clash.

And no, the JP datacenter is not some mythical wonderland where people are great all the time and there's no problems. Because, as i said before, people is people.

[Eriane_Elis]

i think what it really comes down to is people on non-jp servers (especially na tho lets be real) have no fear of social repercussion on a community scale
if you overprice or undercut? that marks you as an asshole
drag down the dps and wipe the party? youre an asshole
buy up half the ward? asshole

all the above will lead to the jp community as a whole basically shunning you afaik.

How is that any different to how we treat people here? It's the same thing. There are lists both public and private. We know who the market griefers are, we know who uses gathering bots but there's really nothing we can do. The botting can be reported but nothing is ever done about it. The multiboxing market manipulation thing is also clearly a ToS violation but nothing is done about that. The best we can do is just say SHAME really loudly whenever we pass by said people. OR just let it be as we tend to do. Your moral code is entirely different than mine and as anybody else's so if we shun people for having a different PoV then we're terrible people. You just have to get gud or gudder at whatever it is I guess.

Japan and the rest of the world may have their own different cultures and expectations but at the end of the day, human is human and there's always going to be people who act differently than you. Whether you care enough about it to go out of your way to shun them is up to you, I know I don't.

[Caurcas]

Smells like weebery in here. But to answer the question, no they have their problems. Sometimes much worse than NA/EU.

[Iscah]

oh, also every macro is in japanese, soo... there's that..

If you're trying to join a mixed language party where the person posting the macro is Japanese, of course it's going to be in Japanese.

English people write English macros. Sometimes there are bilingual ones too if there's space to put both languages.

[Mezzoforte]

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

Nah its all BS. Japan side is far more toxic. Why else would yoshi make the speech about how toxic they are. Its just different types of success and toxicity. Pick your poison.

[Lunalepsy]

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

Nah. That's just wish fulfillment.