Are japanese Datacenters really such paradises?

[Duskane]

I think people over hype this DC way too much
like best part is raid finder for current ex trials and thats it
rest its basically the same as other DC.

once OCE drops Elemental really gonna get stubborn with none JP players sadly even more.

[Mikita]

JI know SE is a japanese company but its actually quite appalling how little effort they put into two of the biggest fan bases when it comes to moderating our forums and having actual GM's in game. They can obviously afford it but there investors need to be willing to pay for the extra costs which they wont cause 1.0 sunk them hardcore.

Even if the moderators and GMs want to, my guess is that they simply don't have the flexibility or authority to engage with the player base in the way that many younger western players have come to expect from big companies.

It's not so much about cost and affordability, but more about process and authority.
In Japanese organizations there is usually a very clear hierarchy and chain of approvals for public communications and actions, which appears painfully slow and inefficient to non-Japanese.

[Kolsykol]

Obviously I've had negative experiences too but I've played since ARR and basically have almost no negative experiences on Light EU ( tho I think I played on Chaos initially, I quit playing for a while and when I came back I made a new account long time ago ).
It was mostly the same in WoW too, the worst toxicity I experienced was in WoW Classic because they merged us with the Spanish and there was a ton of drama and fighting with them and they took over a bunch of channels and refused to speak English.

Whenever I see people complain about toxicity in English speaking communities tho it tends to revolve around NA.
I think that's more of an overall thing tho there's a reason why 99% of all drama online you see on English speaking platforms revolves around the US and US politics.
Even when it comes to political Streamers and Youtubers who are from the EU they still obsess about it and basically never talk about their own country because it's what gets an audience and attention.

I have a lot of problems with other Swedes particularly with how passive aggressive people can be, but on surface level at least it's a complete night and day difference and people are generally significantly more relaxed and less antagonistic and dramatic.
Throwing gigantic tantrums about your opinions and politics etc isn't something that is considered acceptable and you'll get ostracized very quickly for it.
And in my experience at least it does extend to most of Europe.

When I hear people talk about Japan it honestly sounds a lot like Sweden to me and my experience traveling in Europe at least.
And I really don't find it to be all that different ingame either.
Maybe it's just how my personal experience has been by chance but I really think this is a fairly consistent thing across just the internet and other games too in general.

It's about priority when it comes to feedback.
Listen to Japanese players first, collecting data, then move to NA and EU's feedback.

I really don't see the problem with this either, it's a Japanese game and company.
It's not like studios located in NA don't prioritize their native country first or anything, oh wait.
And there's less of an excuse there because the teams are rarely only composed of people from NA, usually it's full of Europeans too ( same with movies, they're a combined effort ).

[Kokonji]

Where did you even heard about JP server being paradise...? XD
are you sure this is not some case of "the grass is greener on the other side" ?

1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner

To be more precise, usually if something bad happen, they will keep it to themselves, then silently vote abandon
they just do it silently, no trash talk, no drama... done, then move on...
but this is almost never happening in normal duty, and rare case in higher difficulty
some degree of japanese language proficiency is also a boost, most of japanese have little proficiency in english
so if you could adjust yourself to the culture and language barrier (mostly, the culture adjustment is enough), its all good

2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.

most normal content is clearable via DF, thats true, even extreme trials and to some degree savages as well
this is possible because we usually have one (or at most two) standard strategy in the form of macros, that almost everybody know how to do the mech, and respected it.
It usually whoever put the marker and macro first, the rest will follow saids stratagem and assign themselves to the roles (MT, ST, H1, H2, D1, D2, etc).
Or in case of PF, the leader will specify, so joiner adjust.

I'm not sure about NA DC since i never play there, but I heard NA DC player have some allergies to macro based strategy ?
oh, also every macro is in japanese, soo... there's that..

3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.

I'm not an expert on market board things, but undercuts does exist, high demand will increase the price, low demand will lower the price

4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.

to be more precise, the social interactions is usually kept about their own social circles,
public speaking is rare occurrence here, even in main city aetheryte,
seems to be a difference in culture, as I heard in NA, public says and shout is common occurence,
whereas here, it is almost discouraged to talk in public for selfish reason (i.e. chat with a friend for prolonged time in /says )

5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

almost all ward is full right now, and even if you found a free spot, you still also need to compete with other that also want that plot

[gumas]

basically, point 1 to 4 is all depend on the situation because everyday is a different experience

for point 5 however, i think 90% here will said "good luck trying to buy house in jp server" lol

[PandaMonium]

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

1. Yes, they keep their toxicity and negativity outside of the instance, you wouldn't get a grief because you didn't do enough dps, died too much or wasn't familiar with a mechanic. But if you did "bad things" on purpose, you would be "banned" and no one would play with you.
No, you wouldn't make friends with everyone if you mean real friendship but yes, the game interactions are calm, polite and friendly.
2. Yes, they can clear all the content via DF and PF. No, their skill level isn't tenfold of NA, it's the difference between very good and absolutely awful players is not that glowing.
The majority of JP players are okay, a bit better or worse of okay so there would never be a killed run because of that one absolutely not knowing how to play person or that one elitist jerk that will rage quit after the 1st wipe.
Indeed there're no debates or disagreements in DF and PF - there's always a general agreement how to do a fight, tactic macros and who drops them into the raid chat and if there's ABC groups or a need in a main/off tank, there's a general agreement about who does what.
3. Yes
4. Yes for the general chats. I don't speak Japanese so don't know what goes on in /tells or private LSs
5. Indeed. Bought 2 houses like that with about 6 months between the purchases. It's not because there are more houses than there are people who want them but because it's inappropriate for one person to have more than one house.

And still I moved to EU for EW because of the difference between 310 and 55ms ping. Really miss my old world but well... you can't have everything.

[Misutoraru]

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

I spend a lot of time in Aegis and SEA before I move to Europe
1. We do point our finger in "public", we don't blame someone in game or in party. But we use DF very differently. In DF we expect everyone already know the baisc and mechanics. PF are where training and practice go. No we are toxic like very human on earth, we just don't let it out in game, come to our social media/forum (especially any internet place where you could hide you identity) and ready have your mind blown.

Generally, I think SEA/Oriental have a more helpful comminuty, I have receive help when I was a returner I struggle to fight some Quest mob and receive tons of help with players walk by. Where in EU I have been needing rez after a FATE boss and all the healer in the FATE just gone without a chase.

2. I have not done any savage since coil and have not done any EX after HW, like I mention eariler we use PF for training and expect everyone know the basic when joining DF.

3. I have not play with Marketboard in JP, but I rarely see anything crazy in my current DC MB as well

4. We tend not to use shout or say, if we chat it is always FC/Party/LS

5. Aegis being a legacy server meaning we never have enough housing

We are no different than NA/EU, but I was shock (in terms of EU culture). when coming to Europe, the local people give me a feeling "as long as I am within the rule, I am fine even being a jxxk". We are toxic too, just we tend to do it outside the game and this might look more "considerate" from a outside view

[kaynide]

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

First: No, none of that is true. Any statement with "Nobody" or "Everybody" simply will never be true.

Specifically,
1) There are toxic people everywhere, but to be honest it is rarely with Japanese players, despite being on a Japanese server there are many people from many countries.
2) Eh. Check stat pages to verify this. I don't think they are any better than any other server. Rather, communities tend to gather in certain servers, so whichever one is the unofficial raid server is probably the better one? I don't do cutting-edge raids so I can't really comment beyond that.
3) It's about the same as other places. Why wouldn't it be?
4) There are ERP goings on here in Tonberry just like everywhere else. Maybe not as much as others, but it's there.
5) Certainly not true. Houses on Tonberry sell out within the day they appear, including when the entire new neighborhoods were made available.

[Eriane_Elis]

From what I hear content creators talk about japanese datacenters, it sounds to me like they are utopias of gaming communities
1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.

If this is all true, this sounds like paradise for most ffxiv players and exactly the ideal world they would like to play in, but if someone here is part of a japanse DC, could you confirm or deny any of these statements?

1. Nobody is ever toxic or negative, everyone is always extremely helpful and you can make friends with everyone regardless of whether you are japanese, chinese or westerner
It would be a boring place if everyone thought the same thing. Japanese people aren't drones and other than the unofficial "SEA" server, you probably shouldn't be on their server as they do discriminate. I'm not sure how many unofficial "SEA" servers there are but they do get annoyed with foreigners because honestly the culture difference is significant.

2. They can clear all content via duty finder and party finder with extreme rates of success, be they savage or ultimates, and the skill level in japanese DCs are tenfold what you would find in NA DCs. There is never any debate or disagreements in duties.
Huh? Who are these gods?

3. Nobody ever overprices or undercuts severely in the marketboard, the economy is extremely healthy and everything is sold and bought at fair prices.
A fair price is always the price people are willing to buy it at. There's no such thing as not undercutting or using marketing strategies. What kind of weird communist world do you think Japan lives in?

4. Nobody is ever inappropriate in social interactions, there are no sexual advances or swear words, everything is always kept E.
Again, what kind of world do you think Japan resides in? It's just as bad if not worse.

5. You can buy houses just by walking up to them and clicking on the placard, there are more houses than there are people who want houses.
Did you just make up these random "facts" on the spot? It takes a special someone to believe any of these. lol

[Kolsykol]

A fair price is always the price people are willing to buy it at. There's no such thing as not undercutting or using marketing strategies. What kind of weird communist world do you think Japan lives in?

Lol, you don't think this is a pretty ridiculous thing to say?