Yoshi-P Statement on Player Feedback

[LianaThorne]

I really feel you are being overly aggressive and accusing me of something I am not doing.

The term lazy is not a simple word it is a deratory and being used to insult. It doesn't convey any form of feed back expect for a illinformes opinion. The term is designed to illicit feelings of not being worthy it's being used in a hurtful manner. The truth is you can't call someone lazy with having proof such as being able to observe their activities and when you use the term in the manner it's being used it's an insult plan and simple.

Just some life advice: If you tell people to censor themselves or avoid using certain words, expect the same thrown back at you. No one really has a right to tell anyone what to say or do.

[Snorky]

then explain what were you trying to do with that comment?
you consider your post not going personal and calling him a troll as positive response and feedback to his claim?

This maybe symatics but I didn't call him a troll I said he was 'trolling" which is a action not a name. What would you call using the same derogatory term over and over ?

There is a distinction between the two. So it's okay to call the devs lazy but it's not okay to call out the person who is insulting them? Lazy is not feedback it's insulting.

[CrimsonGunner]

someone who is upset, trolling is something else entirely it someone whose posts are there to agitate the community regardless of any of his thoughts just for the sheer feeling of him getting spotlight and aggravate an entire group.

you need to know the difference between a troll and someone genuinely caring about the game before making assumptions, he could be trolling i don't know but i wont dismiss it or call him a troll unless im certain or feel certain enough that those post are only to piss off everyone for his own pleasure.

[CrimsonGunner]

This maybe symatics but I didn't call him a troll I said he was 'trolling" which is a action not a name. What would you call using the same derogatory term over and over ?

There is a distinction between the two. So it's okay to call the devs lazy but it's not okay to call out the person who is insulting them? Lazy is not feedback it's insulting.

call him out but calling out on a word is not calling him out, that is just you censoring and more precisely you tried to order him not to use that word, he refused.

we debate constantly in the forum defending out comments if needed with using solid and in context words and facts, its nothing new , the problem with your callout is u use the fact he wrote lazy as an insult when the context of the word is used to describe something else entirely, which in fact you are not calling someone on his comment u basically try to pressure him to censor nothing else about ur comment is feedback thats all.

[DPZ2]

People said it was racist, derogatory, and agenda pushing as well.

No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

[IdowhatIwant]

No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

No I never asked if I should, I asked if it was preferred. That did not mean that I cared what the preference was. And you should probably reread what you posted as it heavily implied it was racist.

[CrimsonGunner]

No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

you expect everyone to know the word "indolent" or bring out the big dictionary and look it up?
or your expecting him to be a happy ,nice person when he posts his feedback after if his and others previous feedbacks have been ignore for years or left unanswered only to be replied it was read and completely ignored?
there is a limit to how much a person can take until he burst and denying feedback cause a person feel unheard is just folly.

not saying that a person should continue batting and insulting people is ok cause its not but disregarding a solid feedback with actual alarming concerns cause it did not fit your way of expressing is plain ignorance.
also treating them like they are not valid or members in the community is just as toxic, we all have our moments when we are really upset and vent but none the less those are genuine thoughts and concerns that come from a place of love to the game and the jobs design in this game.

[Fredco191]

This aged in a pretty funny way considering that we're getting clown costumes in the upcoming All Saints' Wake event.

[Lauront]

No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

You're about the only person I've seen ever complain about the term and the complaint amounts to little more than "some people used it in a bad way in the past", as if it has even the slightest bit of relevance to how it's being used here. He could use indolent, although it's a bit much asking for most people to even know what that word means, but I am sure another person like you will join in to invent issues with using that term too.

I think he is quite right to persist in using the term and ignoring your "advice".

[Semirhage]

It is entirely a relevant, valid and fairly constructive criticism to make. Healers are largely fairly stale jobs, but then the only concern surrounding this is.. How would you then design the system that allows for the leeway on people making mistakes and then having to interrupt your own rotation and sacrifice your own DPS as a result of other peoples' mistakes? The way I view this conundrum is that once you've learned the encounter, you're presented with oversimplification (which yes they are notorious for doing - Especially taking the opposite end of the spectrum for crafting), and then when you're learning or when groups are vastly less talented and prone to making mistakes, then, well that's where I personally would see issues coming into play. I think the only thing that would really need to be taken into consideration here is those designing the jobs are not necessarily the same people testing, and the very people testing the jobs arguably might not have the same proficiency as you do, or many of the people playing at a semi-competent level. Or arguably their design and testing methodology and philosophy might not take these things into account, where as per your second point inferring, may only be testing for barebone functionality and usability. <- Also a constructive argument to be made about their design philosophy.

I would answer this point by making a series of Vanna White gestures at the healer subforum. You could make GCD healing spells proc a Verfire-ready style spell that's a double potency instant Glare so GCD healing has a lossless reward attached to it. Provide a stacking buff for maintaining your casts. Create kits with spells that, shockingly, actually interact with one another, instead of a collection of disjointed abilities that largely only perform "this spell does X potency damage/healing" functions that affect nothing casted before or after. Other MMOs have systems that attempt to solve this problem, with varying degrees of success.

The oft-snarked at craaaaaaazy healer forums have been suggesting all that and more since Heavensward, and they still get "but there's just no way to possibly make lower skilled healers not a-scared of the very hard scary bad impossible task of Cure spamming while thinking of literally anything else, so 1111111111111 is what you get!"

The only possible conclusions are that they don't read the healer forums at all, or that they think healer players are cabbage heads who must be padded with the softest of downy pillows at all times.