Its a shame Paladins have to be tanks. I understand.

[Floortank]

If I can wall pull, I wall pull. The only exception is if the healer says they're new and want to take it slow, and then I graciously acquiesce to the request and pull 2 groups max. It's boring not to pull 2+ packs at all times.

I love the more hair raising pulls in general.

If the damage seems very slow or the healer seems to be struggling, I dial back on the pulls, paying mind to the fact that my party members might be new, still learning their abilities, or struggling. Perhaps not wearing the best gear. I don't like doing this, but I don't complain.

All I can say about your problem is that you can't expect to drive half the speed of traffic and get legislation changed, even if the problem is that your car can't go faster.

[Tlamila]

Sorry, but if you're pulling single packs you're not even really tanking.
And you're making the experience miserable for other 3 persons. Who, even if polite and not saying anything about it, will be dying inside and just wish they hadn't queued.

It's not even a safer way to pull, unless it's a particularly pesky dungeon with undergeared/inexperienced tank or healer (ex stone vigil), simply because doing smaller pulls means doing more pulls, and doing more pulls means you won't have enough cds for all of them, and the healer will also be running out of stuff. At the end of the day it's slower, soul-draining, and more stressful.

People asking you to pull more aren't bullying you, they're basically pleading you not to be an asshole.

If you still wanna tank, take that anger you have and use to tank. The way I actually graduated from baby/lame tank to actual tank, back in the day, was some annoying healer pulling more enemies at me than I wanted. In the end I thought: oh you want me to tank it all? I'll tank it all motherfucker, I don't care if we all die, this is on you. And I tanked fine and since then I've never been scared of normal pulls anymore. Cause let's face it, pulling single packs it's not pulling, you can do that with a carbuncle in place of a tank.
Otherwise, if you don't wanna wear the grown-up-pants, you can always go with squadron or trust, or make your own likeminded group.

[faerieflare]

Ding, ding, wrong. Big pools have been around since ARR, WoW people had nothing to do with it.

*profusely sweating with Wanderer's Palace wall-to-wall pulls as a healer*

But seriously, I'm from JP server so I have never encountered that kind of tank. Sure there are the daredevils, and sure there are the slowpokes, and there are the "im saving all my cds for oh-sh*t moments" tank. But ultimately they are open for discussion. Small chats like "can we take it slow? I'm new" or "Tank you can pull more, I got your back" is quite magical at turning the pace of the dungeon.

On the other hand, being <insert a role here> does not entitle you to anything. As someone said in the post. It's a dungeon of 4, not 1.

Oh, and I don't think WoW's toxicity is being carried over here. And yes there have been toxic players since ARR, even XIV can't escape that. Community is nice simply because it's contagious IMO. If everyone smiles at you saying good morning when you take a morning walk, chances are you'll probably do the same after a while.

Short story. I was doing practice runs for E5S (Eden Ramuh Savage) when someone in the party said "I'm sorry my practice time is better spent without this m*r*n" and he pointed at me, then left. Few days after I practiced again and saw him in the party, then I said "I'm sorry I'm not gonna waste his time again", pointed to him, then I left. Moments later the leader PMed me saying "Hey man we're all practicing here why so much fear?". And then I explained it to him (or her idk) about the previous run. He asked if I wanted to join again, I did, and he's still there. Leader proceeds by saying "if you can't take an idiot, go to Duty Completion tag or just leave right now" and proceeds to queue. Eventually we didn't clear but he sticks around until 78 mins in.

[Xtro99]

Really? I've been leveling my first tank just recently through dungeons exclusively, and I've found nothing but nice people allowing me to pull at my own pace.

Just once I ran into one inpatient little potato that would pull ahead of me but stopped quickly after asking him to drop it. At least to me, this is heaven compared to learning how to Tank in WoW, as if learning routes, rotations and strategies wasn't grueling enough, you'd have to deal with people popping a vein the second you showed the slightest sign of inexperience and immediately dropping the group, not before popping a few gamer words for good measure.

If i could type in here some of the things I was subjected to during my 14 years of playing WoW, I'd get IP banned by SE.

[Tlamila]

*profusely sweating with Wanderer's Palace wall-to-wall pulls as a healer*

Oh my, that was my nightmare, as healer.
I remember when the only tomes options were WP and AK, I'd just spam AK because of how much I hated WP. (but then the anxiety of being chased was a big part of it too)

[Jybril]

No, that is simply not true. No other role has you babysitting a bunch of children that are constantly whining for you to "go faster" which heavily increases your chances to make mistakes. As a healer main, I have never told my tank to pull more then they feel capable of just to get the dungeon finished a couple minutes faster. It is done, when its done and I wish the DPS had the same maturity.

This is the problem when we've had an influx of the WoW playerbase (which tends to be younger then the core FFXIV playerbase). Its why this game had such a wonderful community for so much longer as the game appealed to an older, more mature playerbase.

You guys really need to stop the extreme hate for WoW players. You really do because this stuff has been a thing since ARR. XIV players talk so much crap about WoW players and shift blame but I never see it on their forum's lmao just stop.

Also I would assume most WoW players are older. There are way more younger crowd in XIV than WoW. While WoW has a rather... questionable community at times, this game has it's fair share of bad apples way before the Exodus of WoW players so you can stop that too.

[-BlueGreen-]

I wanted to level a Paladin because they have the coolest armour (In my opinion) but the toxic nature of tanking has REALLY put me off levelling one. The toxicity in this game has made a massive spike since we started getting a huge influx of WoW refugees here. Coincidence...?

I'm surprised you've put up with so much of the feedback from this thread. Anyway, I suspect part of the problem is the DC you're on. As far as I understand it, Faerie is part of the DC that has the most serious raiding groups, and on top of that, I know for sure it's the DC that got the most attention from the WoW crowd due to a certain streamer going to one of the other servers in that same DC.

If you were on Coeurl, I'd just invite you to our FC. We're a chill group that try to run things together. Running with friends is a great way to learn a new role and avoid the problems you're describing. I can even help with learning tank as I've more or less gotten stuck with having to main it even though I'd prefer RDM due to no one else I play with really being willing to run tank. Actually, they don't like running healer either most of the time, so I've had runs where I go in on PLD without a healer and we either undersize (not unsync) dungeons or go 1 tank + 3 DPS. Those runs can be tons of fun that you won't have through the normal duty finder.

Maybe once DC travel opens up, try visiting some world on one of the other two NA datacenters and see if dungeon runs are more pleasant there. With the recent news, it sounds like we won't have to wait too much longer for that feature.

[Rinhi]

a great way to learn a new role

humour me; what's there to learn about tanking that's new after lvl 30? ignore DPS abilities you gain, I'm talking about tank exclusive things
because the role is literally the same at lvl 16 as it is at lvl 90: pulling as much as possible, pressing your CDs and DPSing the mobs down that have aggro on you

[Penthea]

humour me; what's there to learn about tanking that's new after lvl 30? ignore DPS abilities you gain, I'm talking about tank exclusive things
because the role is literally the same at lvl 16 as it is at lvl 90: pulling as much as possible, pressing your CDs and DPSing the mobs down that have aggro on you

You don't get to deal with proper tank busters or tank swap mechanics until long after lvl 30. Using immunities is another thing that you don't encounter at low lvl. While some are pretty straight forward to use, if you're a drk you might want to abstain from or delay popping Living Dead if your healer's mana is looking grim and you don't have a whm with you.

[-BlueGreen-]

humour me;

No thanks.