Roleplay Party Finder Account Suspensions

[TaleraRistain]

It's not just the wrongful suspension on these people that's having attention called for to it, but also the actions of the GM itself. There is little to no evidence given by the GM, no actual attempt to explain the violation or even link the behavior to a violation. Not to mention, for the two people mentioned in the OP's post, these weren't even given the chance to be spoken to. They were just suspended at 3AM/4AM. The GM handling this appears to be the same one that did similar abuses of power in the past and now, even after the devs gave the OK for mature RP spaces to exist, continues to do so.

Bringing in the game's rating means little when the game itself includes highly mature themes such as suicide, enslavement, rape, torture, murder, sex/child trafficking, child abuse and child endangerment. These are infinitely darker and far more damaging of scenarios than RP venues promoting sex-positive spaces. In fact, the inclusion of "18+"/"21+" warnings is more adherent to the rating of the game than not including them.

ERP or mature RP in itself is not wrong between consenting players. By having the warning in PFs for venues, it paints a clear picture of the maturity needed to consent to these RP. Calling it a profanity is inane. Ageism doesn't apply when complying to stated rules and laws.

The GM handing out these suspensions is abusing rank and power and, once again, needs to be taken down and take responsibility for the abuse. Considering this is the second string of like abuse, the GM in question really should not be allowed to decide in, mediate, or interact with the player base.

If this is the same GM doing the same thing, then it definitely sounds like SE might have some house cleaning to do. It's only going to give them bad PR if their GMs don't stay within their own guidelines.

[Ecl1pse]

I know a lot of this conversation has focused on "You're venue is 18+ and that's why you were suspended." But on the other hand, there was a venue out of the 4 known incidents that didn't offer ERP/sexual activities. They didn't advertise it either. Another venue didn't advertise it was 18+ either, though it did offer those kinds of private services between consenting players. Maybe if there was more consistency to this, I'd stand by the argument that yeah, those kinds of things should be a suspendable offense but there really isn't.

Not only that but my own personal opinion is that if a player has never been spoken to or received any sort of penalty or warning, that should be provided first. Give a player the chance to correct their behavior before outright punishing them.

As for names of the venue, I can describe what they are but due to keeping the individuals private, including my own wife who really wanted no part of this, I won't say their names. Scrapyard already provided their name, suspended last night (does offer 18+ services and advertised). The next was a cabaret and lounge on Coeurl, also suspended last night (does offer 18+ services but did not advertise that). The third is a winery and spa on Goblin, suspended on January 5, I believe (does not offer 18+ services). The fourth, I don't recognize the player or the venue so I can't provide any details apart from the fact that they chimed in on Twitter with a screenshot.

[GrizzlyTank]

It is understandable for GM's to not give information for infractions when it comes to cheating, because that information can be used to avoid the detection later.

However when it comes to social issues it should be paramount that the user is informed over what is wrong such as potentially unintended harassment, so that the user doesn't accidentally repeat the offence.

[van_arn]

oh another one of these threads

[Metamorph]

All I can say is that I'm not even 100% convinced this has anything, and I mean ANYTHING to do with venues being (18+) and/or possibly hinting at 18+ related content. As of recent, the PFs are just being FLOODED with multiple venue ADs (which has become a norm when you're in an MMORPG with a high RPing community). But the fact that I've seen not 1, but 5 different venues ALL hosting over 5 PFs each?!

Like.... who in the heck needs over 5 PFs to let the community know "HEY WE'RE OPEN" or "WE'RE NOT OPEN TONIGHT BUT REMEMBER WE EXIST SO COME WHEN WE DO OPEN" over and over, back to back?!!? Two PFs should be enough to get the point across. If you're worried about a little "competition" don't spam your venue like a desperate attention gremlin! You're just giving yourself AND your venue a bad image and dragging EVERY other venue down with you!! I'm not going to mention any venue names, but a certain few need to tone it down a notch and realize the damage they're possibly doing and how it's affecting the RPing portion of the FFXIV community as a whole.

[Axxion]

this reminds of this one https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...cement-by-GM-s

[Makeda]

Yeah if you're gonna do an 18+ event, keep all the promotions to discord.

Even if you think your 18+ refers to 'we're gonna chat about taxes and infrastructure legislation' most people will read it as ERP...

[Kidria]

It is understandable for GM's to not give information for infractions when it comes to cheating, because that information can be used to avoid the detection later.

However when it comes to social issues it should be paramount that the user is informed over what is wrong such as potentially unintended harassment, so that the user doesn't accidentally repeat the offence.

Essentially. Just getting a slap across the face without an explanation does nothing. Yes yes, they pointed out a particular part of the ToS--okay but how is it a violation? What part of the statement? The GM overseeing these need to be able to answer these questions, otherwise you're not closing the loop and only inviting more trouble by not providing the explanation and reasoning, which leads to more threads like this.

Otherwise it is, again, an abuse of station and power.

[Ecl1pse]

All I can say is that I'm not even 100% convinced this has anything, and I mean ANYTHING to do with venues being (18+) and/or possibly hinting at 18+ related content. As of recent, the PFs are just being FLOODED with multiple venue ADs (which has become a norm when you're in an MMORPG with a high RPing community). But the fact that I've seen not 1, but 5 different venues ALL hosting over 5 PFs each?!

Like.... who in the heck needs over 5 PFs to let the community know "HEY WE'RE OPEN" or "WE'RE NOT OPEN TONIGHT BUT REMEMBER WE EXIST SO COME WHEN WE DO OPEN" over and over, back to back?!!? Two PFs should be enough to get the point across. If you're worried about a little "competition" don't spam your venue like a desperate attention gremlin! You're just giving yourself AND your venue a bad image and dragging EVERY other venue down with you!! I'm not going to mention any venue names, but a certain few need to tone it down a notch and realize the damage they're possibly doing and how it's affecting the RPing portion of the FFXIV community as a whole.

This...this so hard. I'm gonna bow out of the conversation now, mostly because I've made the points I wanted to. I think the general consensus is that the situation is kinda shenanigans.

[freyjabun]

All I can say is that I'm not even 100% convinced this has anything, and I mean ANYTHING to do with venues being (18+) and/or possibly hinting at 18+ related content. As of recent, the PFs are just being FLOODED with multiple venue ADs (which has become a norm when you're in an MMORPG with a high RPing community). But the fact that I've seen not 1, but 5 different venues ALL hosting over 5 PFs each?!

Like.... who in the heck needs over 5 PFs to let the community know "HEY WE'RE OPEN" or "WE'RE NOT OPEN TONIGHT BUT REMEMBER WE EXIST SO COME WHEN WE DO OPEN" over and over, back to back?!!? Two PFs should be enough to get the point across. If you're worried about a little "competition" don't spam your venue like a desperate attention gremlin! You're just giving yourself AND your venue a bad image and dragging EVERY other venue down with you!! I'm not going to mention any venue names, but a certain few need to tone it down a notch and realize the damage they're possibly doing and how it's affecting the RPing portion of the FFXIV community as a whole.

That's not what this thread is about. While I don't disagree with you, this is about the suspension of individuals, tied to an 18+ venue (and more importantly those who were NOT) for advertisements posted in the party finder. A number of those affected are people who only had one or two advertisements, the number of advertisements listed has absolutely no consistency or tie to the problem stated in the thread.