Roleplay Party Finder Account Suspensions

[Kidria]

It is understandable for GM's to not give information for infractions when it comes to cheating, because that information can be used to avoid the detection later.

However when it comes to social issues it should be paramount that the user is informed over what is wrong such as potentially unintended harassment, so that the user doesn't accidentally repeat the offence.

Essentially. Just getting a slap across the face without an explanation does nothing. Yes yes, they pointed out a particular part of the ToS--okay but how is it a violation? What part of the statement? The GM overseeing these need to be able to answer these questions, otherwise you're not closing the loop and only inviting more trouble by not providing the explanation and reasoning, which leads to more threads like this.

Otherwise it is, again, an abuse of station and power.

[Theodric]

Essentially. Just getting a slap across the face without an explanation does nothing. Yes yes, they pointed out a particular part of the ToS--okay but how is it a violation? What part of the statement? The GM overseeing these need to be able to answer these questions, otherwise you're not closing the loop and only inviting more trouble by not providing the explanation and reasoning, which leads to more threads like this.

Otherwise it is, again, an abuse of station and power.

It's the same method employed for any rule violation in order to make it less likely for someone to identify and go after the individual or individuals responsible for filing a report.

Furthermore attempting to bypass the rules through workarounds often still counts as a breach of the terms of service. If someone creates a character name that reads as a slur with has a few letters adjusted to technically not be on, it can still be considered inappropriate and forcibly changed.

So, too, would it be viable in the eyes of many for someone to be punished if they're advertising their venue as suitable only for players aged eighteen and up when a little bit of light digging reveals that escort services are on offer in exchange for gil.

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that such is allowed so long as they aren't caught doing it - but if they're not keeping it entirely private, then the risk of exposure is naturally higher.

I'd also note that GM's are capable of examining chat logs at length and it's perfectly possible that they identified something worthy of punishment.

[Packetdancer]

However when it comes to social issues it should be paramount that the user is informed over what is wrong such as potentially unintended harassment, so that the user doesn't accidentally repeat the offence.

While I agree in essence, having spent time on the other side of the player/developer divide, I can also note that it's not always a great idea to do so; sometimes giving details on the infraction can unintentionally also give details on who reported the person in the first place, which can then lead to vendettas from the disciplined towards the reporter. So it comes down to "do you err on the side of giving information to the one being disciplined, even if it means they can then whip up people to harass the one who reported them, or do you err on the side of not giving them any ammunition to go harass others?"

But no matter which one you choose, generally you need to pick one and stick with it (rather than relying on individual CS folks to make a judgment call on "do I tell this person info or not", and potentially making them personally responsible for any ensuing harassment). And for good or ill, Square-Enix seems to have fallen on the "let's not give anyone ammunition" side of that divide.

[van_arn]

oh another one of these threads

[Metamorph]

All I can say is that I'm not even 100% convinced this has anything, and I mean ANYTHING to do with venues being (18+) and/or possibly hinting at 18+ related content. As of recent, the PFs are just being FLOODED with multiple venue ADs (which has become a norm when you're in an MMORPG with a high RPing community). But the fact that I've seen not 1, but 5 different venues ALL hosting over 5 PFs each?!

Like.... who in the heck needs over 5 PFs to let the community know "HEY WE'RE OPEN" or "WE'RE NOT OPEN TONIGHT BUT REMEMBER WE EXIST SO COME WHEN WE DO OPEN" over and over, back to back?!!? Two PFs should be enough to get the point across. If you're worried about a little "competition" don't spam your venue like a desperate attention gremlin! You're just giving yourself AND your venue a bad image and dragging EVERY other venue down with you!! I'm not going to mention any venue names, but a certain few need to tone it down a notch and realize the damage they're possibly doing and how it's affecting the RPing portion of the FFXIV community as a whole.

[Ecl1pse]

All I can say is that I'm not even 100% convinced this has anything, and I mean ANYTHING to do with venues being (18+) and/or possibly hinting at 18+ related content. As of recent, the PFs are just being FLOODED with multiple venue ADs (which has become a norm when you're in an MMORPG with a high RPing community). But the fact that I've seen not 1, but 5 different venues ALL hosting over 5 PFs each?!

Like.... who in the heck needs over 5 PFs to let the community know "HEY WE'RE OPEN" or "WE'RE NOT OPEN TONIGHT BUT REMEMBER WE EXIST SO COME WHEN WE DO OPEN" over and over, back to back?!!? Two PFs should be enough to get the point across. If you're worried about a little "competition" don't spam your venue like a desperate attention gremlin! You're just giving yourself AND your venue a bad image and dragging EVERY other venue down with you!! I'm not going to mention any venue names, but a certain few need to tone it down a notch and realize the damage they're possibly doing and how it's affecting the RPing portion of the FFXIV community as a whole.

This...this so hard. I'm gonna bow out of the conversation now, mostly because I've made the points I wanted to. I think the general consensus is that the situation is kinda shenanigans.

[freyjabun]

All I can say is that I'm not even 100% convinced this has anything, and I mean ANYTHING to do with venues being (18+) and/or possibly hinting at 18+ related content. As of recent, the PFs are just being FLOODED with multiple venue ADs (which has become a norm when you're in an MMORPG with a high RPing community). But the fact that I've seen not 1, but 5 different venues ALL hosting over 5 PFs each?!

Like.... who in the heck needs over 5 PFs to let the community know "HEY WE'RE OPEN" or "WE'RE NOT OPEN TONIGHT BUT REMEMBER WE EXIST SO COME WHEN WE DO OPEN" over and over, back to back?!!? Two PFs should be enough to get the point across. If you're worried about a little "competition" don't spam your venue like a desperate attention gremlin! You're just giving yourself AND your venue a bad image and dragging EVERY other venue down with you!! I'm not going to mention any venue names, but a certain few need to tone it down a notch and realize the damage they're possibly doing and how it's affecting the RPing portion of the FFXIV community as a whole.

That's not what this thread is about. While I don't disagree with you, this is about the suspension of individuals, tied to an 18+ venue (and more importantly those who were NOT) for advertisements posted in the party finder. A number of those affected are people who only had one or two advertisements, the number of advertisements listed has absolutely no consistency or tie to the problem stated in the thread.

[Metamorph]

Oh, I know exactly what this thread is about.
I apologize if my statement seems "out of topic", but I feel that it does still tie in with the wrongly pressed accusations towards the suspended individuals I am well associated with. I have known them for almost a year and can confirm (if not vouch) that the suspension is indeed unjustified. Not just towards them, but all those who have been suspended alongside them. Aside from the (18+), there was no "profanity" displayed on any PFs held last night. However, I simply wanted to get my 2 cents across the situation before bowing out as well. I hope this is all taken care of and made known.

[Axxion]

this reminds of this one https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...cement-by-GM-s

[milkhorn]

this reminds of this one https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...cement-by-GM-s

Precisely why I put it in my original post, there are similarities.