Your Dark Knight players are unhappy. あなたの暗闇騎士プレイヤーは不幸です

[Recon1o6]

so you want to turn the class into a more convoluted mess than current DPS's ?

I see the 3 Rotations only turning out well, if you Cast a OCGD to "Modify" your rotation kinda how GNB has its entire combo tucked into 1 button now, but that you have your standard combo 1-2-3 as we have now, and can "Imbue" your weapon to grant you a buff with certain effects for X Seconds.

Kinda like how the Mystic Knight works in the other FF Games. with 1 having augmented damage only (Shadow Augment), 1 restoring hp (Blood Augment), 1 restoring Mana (Soul Augment) etc. that way we can reduce the total amount of buttons to fight hotbar clutter while still having a unique playstyle, that gives you quite a bit of utility and management of the buffs you have, as they dont stack.

This would be a compromise between your Idea of Dark arts and 3 Different Combos. Mechanically they stay in line with other tanks, but get more utility/ Interaction with Dark Arts.

These Buffs would of course also extend to Bloodspiller/ Quietus.

Or is that idea stupid?

Thats literally what the original dark arts was and is in my idea. Granted I forgot to make that clear for those like yourself who started in shb or ew

Dark arts was literally a 1/4 mp bar cost ogcd you used to imbue your weapon with to change the effect of a subsequent action. Most of the time it was a weapon skill but there were a couple of ogcds that used it.


Here's an example of the heavensward combo

Hard slash>syphon strike> souleater does the same as it does now, nothings changed
Hard slash>syphon strike^ weaved dark arts> souleater changed does 500 potency with no heal

[Venks]

Thats literally what the original dark arts was and is in my idea. Granted I forgot to make that clear for those like yourself who started in shb or ew

Dark arts was literally a 1/4 mp bar cost ogcd you used to imbue your weapon with to change the effect of a subsequent action. Most of the time it was a weapon skill but there were a couple of ogcds that used it.


Here's an example of the heavensward combo

Hard slash>syphon strike> souleater does the same as it does now, nothings changed
Hard slash>syphon strike^ weaved dark arts> souleater changed does 500 potency with no heal

I didn't play back during HW, but Dark Arts seems really cool and I'd love to see something like that come back for Dark Knight. It'd help the class have a more distinct presence I think.

[Mekhana]

Dart Arts SB was a good idea on paper. Which IMO might be an ongoing theme with the job.

However, it eventually came down to:

1)Are you low/out of MP?

A)No. Use Dark Arts.
B)Yes. Do not use Dark Arts.

There was no depth. There was no thought put into it. All it did was increase your action bloat. You had an extra bind to do something you shouldn't have to use to begin with.

As far I lasted in SB, DRK was the tank you had to work nearly half more to still underperform. Unless you just got out of rave party and are high AF on Ex, there's no way you'd enjoy the DA spam every 3-5 seconds.

[Rhais]

SB's implementation of dark arts was atrocious. They took a unique job mechanic and ruined it rather then refine it. The original idea was good, it gave a few abilities damage increases but others it altered what they did.

[Glaringsoul]

Dart Arts SB was a good idea on paper. Which IMO might be an ongoing theme with the job.

However, it eventually came down to:

1)Are you low/out of MP?

A)No. Use Dark Arts.
B)Yes. Do not use Dark Arts.

There was no depth. There was no thought put into it. All it did was increase your action bloat. You had an extra bind to do something you shouldn't have to use to begin with.

As far I lasted in SB, DRK was the tank you had to work nearly half more to still underperform. Unless you just got out of rave party and are high AF on Ex, there's no way you'd enjoy the DA spam every 3-5 seconds.

because as Recon explained it, it only lasted for 1 attack. What if it it was a "buff" which changes your entire 1-2-3 for 1 cycle if woven before it (imagine it like a Pre Combo action before hard slash that changes it, and gives you access to the augmented version 1-2-3?

That way you would have 3 GCD's following it, while always having a fixed place inside as a part of the rotation.

question is if it should affect the other OGCD's and to what extent. Because if we want to have dark arts change everything else, we end up with both a convoluted nightmare of button presses and "Optimizations", and create a nightmare of "IF" situations for the developers, which will most likely end up creating a bunch of wonky interactions inside the class, or just dismissed outright in the pre-planning phase.

[Kalaam]

The concept isn't that attrocious if it was raised from the grave to be given to Sage

[MagiusNecros]

The concept isn't that attrocious if it was raised from the grave to be given to Sage

Sage does it better and I would hope they give it to DRK in a fashion that your weaponskills would be enhanced to say Spinning Slash or Power Slash.

I like playing Sage with Eukrasia. I think it's a whole lot of fun and makes it feel busy.

It's so shitty they removed Dark Arts because not only could you use it for boosting damage but it could also be used to buff Dark Mind from 15% to 30%.

[Rhais]

Sage does it better and I would hope they give it to DRK in a fashion that your weaponskills would be enhanced to say Spinning Slash or Power Slash.

I like playing Sage with Eukrasia. I think it's a whole lot of fun and makes it feel busy.

It's so shitty they removed Dark Arts because not only could you use it for boosting damage but it could also be used to buff Dark Mind from 15% to 30%.

It buffed dark mind, gave dark passenger a blind status effect on enemies, gave dark dance an evasion effect(which worked well with DPs blind), added hp restore onto abyssal drain and increased enmity gain on powerslash. C&S lost the MP regain but went up in potency quite a bit, and it buffed souleater potency. Some of these were less useful than others, but it was a nice mechanic that should have been retained and refined. Instead it was turned into nothing but a potency boost for nearly every gcd before it's eventual removal.

[Kalaam]

Dark Art should have very rarely been a potency buff, to avoid needing to always use it in order to get the "true" potency of the skill.
Having it gain effects useful for some situation (Blind effect when facing groups of ennemies) or effects you'd like to refresh (say using it changed hard slash to scourge, you'd only do it every 30 seconds)
Very rarely make it a potency boost, but at the cost of something. Maaaaaybe on soul eater it'd be fine, lose healing increase damage (maybe visually change it to power slash) and increase normal soul eater's potency greatly to balance it out maybe ?

[Jakulo]

They literally could have just revert the changes made to darkside and blood weapon to fix dark arts spam instead of reworking the job. They had it working for the entirety of HW and it's only broken because the devs:
1. Reduced the cd of blood weapon from 60s to 40s for some reason.
2. Removed the mp drain from darkside so you literally can't lose it.
3. Made our other mp spender, dark passenger, obsolete.

They way over buffed mp generation because they thought that was what players liked and when it didn't work instead of reverting the changes they threw the baby out with the bath water. For some reason they thought it was better to make two brand new abilities and a whole new job gauge rather than just change some numbers so we can't spam dark arts.