The Alliance roulette is unbearable

[Sheriyana]

Bad idea to split by expansion - that way it will become harder to fill up the needed spaces on the earlier content

I fail to see how that would make it harder to fill up for earlier content, I'd at least be damn glad to do more roulettes and I think people in general are more happy to do roulettes than basic leveling dungeons. And really, just the name of the level 50/60/70/80 roulette pisses me off, spread out the content and that would fix the terrible naming too. Oh how I miss the high level roulette name, it didn't always make much sense but it was so much easier to say...

And to be more on topic, yes, I hate all of the CT raids for the reasons mentioned by others, most jobs play awful at that level and I hate how boring the raids are. I ran them enough in ARR already, had enough ST to last me a life time trying to roll for the damn soldiery tomestone upgrades, and WoD was the last time I really cared about farming 24 man raids for specific gear pieces, doing 30 runs for a caster top was insane, still hate that raid to this day.

[demonette]

Reminder that Shadowbringers relic/blades weapons require a lot of CT, in addition to the MSQ requirement. By that token, it seems that the game is working as intended, as far as the devs are concerned who made these systems.

[Esmoire]

I do think, if you want to get a reward relevant to your level, you should have to get a relevant item level. For example, an easy bar for getting the lv 90 tomestones would be item level 540... Artifact armour + at least 80+ for accessories. Ideally people running Crystal Tower <60, they are getting the same or better reward than they are now, but if you want that reward to stay consistent, you need to have full gear in every slot within 10 levels.

[Ransu]

I fail to see how that would make it harder to fill up for earlier content, I'd at least be damn glad to do more roulettes and I think people in general are more happy to do roulettes than basic leveling dungeons. And really, just the name of the level 50/60/70/80 roulette pisses me off, spread out the content and that would fix the terrible naming too. Oh how I miss the high level roulette name, it didn't always make much sense but it was so much easier to say...

And to be more on topic, yes, I hate all of the CT raids for the reasons mentioned by others, most jobs play awful at that level and I hate how boring the raids are. I ran them enough in ARR already, had enough ST to last me a life time trying to roll for the damn soldiery tomestone upgrades, and WoD was the last time I really cared about farming 24 man raids for specific gear pieces, doing 30 runs for a caster top was insane, still hate that raid to this day.

Because less people would run the leveling roulette the higher level they get....The majority of my jobs are above level 60. What reason would I ever have to run leveling roulette with your system? Unless they doubled the exp from level roulette I'd never touch it again and I'm pretty sure there are a lot of players like me in a similar situation. Your idea would fracture the roulette way too much and they'd have to introduce trusts into the lower level dungeons to compensate, which depending on a point of view could be either good or bad (I personally think trusts are a bad idea for the most part)

[Raoabolic]

(I personally think trusts are a bad idea for the most part)

Trusts are fine with content that doesn't get ran a lot. Want to do your prae or castrum run for your msq? That will be 25+ minutes. Want to run a dungeon during prime time, better roll those dice and hope you get a party that doesn't implode on itself. As a tank, trusts make me earn that wall to wall pull by pulling every mitigation trick I can. And the lack of salt is a nice bonus!

[Azuri]

Every time one of these threads pops up, I'm seeing a bunch of people who are completely missing the point of rolettes. They are not there for you to experience a "variety" of content - you can just select 5 of your favorite alliance raids and do it that way, guaranteed no Sycrus Tower! The roulette is there to throw bodies with a pulse to people waiting in queues for specific duties. And logically, there is a lot more players looking to do Crystal Tower raids than Nier. If you don't like Labyrinth of the Ancients so much, don't queue for the roulette intended to fill Labyrinth of the Ancients runs.

[Makeda]

Move CT raids to the MSQ roulette and problem fixed.

I'm actually surprised that the Stormblood Alliance raid is NOT mandatory in the MSQ. Not running it means you're missing the context for half the lore in this game...

That said, the Alliance raids of Heavansward and Shadowbringers are just random stuff. You could remove all the quests from them, all the lore in them, and nothing would change or matter.

I'd say that the 8-person raids of ARR, Stormblood, and Shadowbringers should also be in the MSQ. Again the one in Heavensward has even less lore than Palace of the Dead...

[Driavna]

It honestly won't matter that much, I fear.

The Crystal Tower raids are required for MSQ now, and must be done before you can get into Heavensward; every person playing the game will have them unlocked, and I would not be surprised if the story-skip also unlocks them as a result. This includes even the free trial players, since they have to do those raids in order to continue on to Heavensward, which is part of the free trial up to level 60 of the award-winning... you know the rest.

In contrast, the Shadows of Mhach raids at level 60 are not required for anything, so many people never get around to picking them up. The YoRHa: Dark Apocalypse raids at level 80 aren't required for anything either, and many people thus didn't unlock them... and moreover, the free trial users can't even get to those.

The Ivalice raids at level 70 are required for Bozja and the Resistance relics, but not everyone out there wanted to do the relics... and like the level 80 ones, free trial users can't get to those anyway.

This means a huge number of players will only have the Crystal Tower raids unlocked, even when at level 90, because those are required for MSQ progression where none of the others are. So even if you solved ilevel cheesing -- and don't get me wrong, the way this game handles ilevel is kinda broken -- Crystal Tower would still massively dominate that roulette regardless.

Which makes me sad, because I actually enjoy the other raids, and always have a moment of "oh thank the Twelve" any time I get a raid that isn't Crystal Tower in the roulette.

Can be made to work like expert but based on job level to be honest. Level 50 require all CT raids and enough ILvL for all and so on. The whole idea of roulettes it's to provide enough bodies to keep it going in exchange for a reward after all.

[linayar]

I'm actually surprised that the Stormblood Alliance raid is NOT mandatory in the MSQ. Not running it means you're missing the context for half the lore in this game...

Because the lore is not as important as the plot. Raiding will always be optional content unless they decide it greatly affects the MSQ plot, like the Crystal Tower.

[Lunalepsy]

Please please please pray, add an ilvl requirement to this roulette that scales with the job level of the person queuing for it.

A level 90 character equipping lvl 50 gear and then queuing for this roulette to get a quick and easy LotA or CT run is not what this roulette is intended for. This is having a huge adverse impact on everyone who wants to enjoy all of the alliance raids with this roulette, especially the more recent ones. About 90% of my alliance roulette runs are one of these two raids because of people abusing this exploit and I'm going to die from boredom if this continues.

It is! I was about to do MSQ roulette and changed my mind fast.