The Flow of Battle 1.21

[Xoo]

yes roaming is still safer (better) for 1 reason....
even against MOBs 5+ levels higher than you, multiple MOBs doesn't automatically equal "wipe" the way a bad pull did in FFXI

Exactly how long would you expect a Lv40, Gladiator even, to remain standing with 4 Lv50 mobs attacking? I solo a lot, and I can tell you that as a Gladiator recently attempting to solo the Lv59 Scarred Watchwolf it hit me for 350~ and Sanguine Bite almost double that. Needless to say, I lost terribly.

[Rydin]

Exactly how long would you expect a Lv40, Gladiator even, to remain standing with 4 Lv50 mobs attacking? I solo a lot, and I can tell you that as a Gladiator recently attempting to solo the Lv59 Scarred Watchwolf it hit me for 350~ and Sanguine Bite almost double that. Needless to say, I lost terribly.

#1... you don't solo Mobs 9 ranks higher than you
If you're in a party... that is what the healer is for.... 350 is not that big a hit for a 40+ Glad

[Xoo]

I like a good challenge, hence what I was doing solo at that camp. Before the last patch, I could solo the Watchwolf. Point being, you stated that having a group of mobs 5+ levels above attacking didn't mean a wipe, which I took literally to mean 6-100 levels above, but stopped at 9-10. I'm simply saying it wouldn't guarantee a wipe, but folks better start running soon.

[Rydin]

I like a good challenge, hence what I was doing solo at that camp. Before the last patch, I could solo the Watchwolf. Point being, you stated that having a group of mobs 5+ levels above attacking didn't mean a wipe, which I took literally to mean 6-100 levels above, but stopped at 9-10. I'm simply saying it wouldn't guarantee a wipe, but folks better start running soon.

thats completely out of context... I thought the whole point of this thread was a discussion on party tactics?

[Xoo]

thats completely out of context... I thought the whole point of this thread was a discussion on party tactics?

It is. The reference to Gladiator implies that naturally the tank is going to be the first to go down.

[Rydin]

It is. The reference to Gladiator implies that naturally the tank is going to be the first to go down.

But you can't compare the survivability of a tank in a full party vs solo... its an entirely different ball game
The point being... in a party, pulling multiple MOBs isn't instant death... and if everyone focuses on killing 1 MOB at a time, you can still come out on top. So Roaming parties aren't as wipe-able as they were in FFXI....
and Paladin in an EXP party should make it even easier

[Xoo]

But you can't compare the survivability of a tank in a full party vs solo... its an entirely different ball game
The point being... in a party, pulling multiple MOBs isn't instant death... and if everyone focuses on killing 1 MOB at a time, you can still come out on top. So Roaming parties aren't as wipe-able as they were in FFXI....
and Paladin in an EXP party should make it even easier

Including a WHM that is curebombing your rapidly declining HP reserves, it's very likely that after the Gladiator is dead, so follows the healer, and the domino effect continues until everyone is down. Like I said, 350 damage multiplied by 4-5 = major trouble.

[Rydin]

Including a WHM that is curebombing your rapidly declining HP reserves, it's very likely that after the Gladiator is dead, so follows the healer, and the domino effect continues until everyone is down. Like I said, 350 damage multiplied by 4-5 = major trouble.

Regardless of who is right (And it's obviously me), I do agree that numbering (lettering???) the MOBs is a good idea....

[Xoo]

Regardless of who is right (And it's obviously me), I do agree that numbering (lettering???) the MOBs is a good idea....

Fair enough. I don't care who is right either. I just want to be taken seriously, as you have. Thanks for that at least.

[Rydin]

Fair enough. I don't care who is right either. I just want to be taken seriously, as you have. Thanks for that at least.

AOE sleep also sounds good but then Sleepga is on its way tomorrow
Although I don't know what level BLM gets it at (quests it at...)
The only thing I can't figure out is if you like or dislike the battle changes