Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
What agency does someone have when contracting a terminal illness, or dying thousands of years before they would have previously? Where's the agency in starving to death in a famine, or being conscripted to go die in a war for resources, or being mauled by a beast and perishing from your wounds? Even the agency of the petty thief or the gluttonous oligarch is undermined in that the conditions of their existence which motivates their actions was created by someone else. Again, all intentionally.
Also can we just leave this here, its clear that neither one of us is going to convince the other to back down and all we are doing now is arguing for the sake of it and hijacking this thread from its intended question.