Confusion (of the highest order) about Venat and Sundering

[Kordarion]

Yes, yes it is. It is a state that was imposed upon everyone without their consent. If I nuked a country and subjected them to multigenerational radiation poisoning, for future generations that isn't "just their natural lives", that is something I did to them.


Yes, it is morally problematic to strip somebody of their agency, which is exactly what Venat did. The conditions of suffering and conflict she created is exactly what she wanted. That is not to say that in every instance nobody has any individual culpability for their own wrongdoing, but Venat created the context for all of this suffering to take place, meaning she is personally partly responsible. In choosing to create the sundered world Venat is effectively it's goddess, it's progenitor, it's "Mother" if you will, and this image of the world is the one she wished to cultivate.


I would argue that is killing them. They weren't just given a haircut, they were fundamentally altered to the point that those they once were no longer existed.

I'm not quite sure how best to respond to the first part of your statement without causing more problems with any less than properly thought out responses, so ill have to hold off on that for the moment.

For your second point the reason I would argue that your line of thinking is worse in that case is that sure Venat stole people's agency when it came to being an ancient and living in their society, which I agree is wrong, but then sort of didn't afterwards. Obviously we know she messed around occasionally, the whole hear, feel, think mantra, but other than that everyone else that comes after pretty much retains their sense of agency. Sure you could argue she has still stolen their agency but at some point it gets so far from the event that saying Hydaelyn is still stealing their agency becomes a convolutedly bad joke of what could have been to the point where you could never possibly predict it acurately. But by your line of thinking you have reduced them to never being able to have agency in their own world even by such a time where it would once more be wholly their own choice, and that is why I think your take is more morally problematic than Venat's actions.

On your third point, thinking about it, transforming them like she does is akin to killing them.