Buff DNC damage pls (sad dnc main)

[Listrella]

well in a interview with yoshi p that was posted on discord earlier, yoshi p mentioned that he thinks Dancers dps is too low, so hopefully that means we'll see a buff in the not too distant future.

[Gothicshark]

Hate playing high apm/cpm class like bard/mch due to carpal tunnel sydrome i love my dnc but been kicked/refused by parties cause want bard/mch in their party and this upsets me as dnc main

Huh? My current main (not my posting character) is a Dancer Main, I can keep up with everyone in Deeps, and my partywide buffs and off heals and shields have saved the group from wipes more than once. the Fact I was able to tank a boss long enough for the healers to rezz the party on Nerducla this is everything you need to know about Dancer. Oh and we had a BLM in that run and I was still higher Aggro.

Not to say I wouldn't want a slight buff on damage, but if you got kicked for playing dancer, than they are dumb, because Dancer is one of the strongest jobs in the game for utility, and the DPS if you do it right is more than sufficient. (note yes Bard and Machinist have high output, but only in single target, and the burst window of Dancer is much stronger because it includes group buffs, while bard has ok group buffs that are lack luster at best. And Machinist is selfish DPS, and the weakest Selfish DPS in the game. I would rather a Samurai or Black Mage))

[Gothicshark]

I think DNC should get a cheeky buff… like the previous comment on this said, maybe add in another support skill?

Also I never see anyone use improv it feels like it takes too long to get 4 stacks.

I use it in specific moments, but those usually only last long enough for 1 or 2 stacks.

[Mysticunicycle]

Huh? My current main (not my posting character) is a Dancer Main, I can keep up with everyone in Deeps, and my partywide buffs and off heals and shields have saved the group from wipes more than once. the Fact I was able to tank a boss long enough for the healers to rezz the party on Nerducla this is everything you need to know about Dancer. Oh and we had a BLM in that run and I was still higher Aggro.

Not to say I wouldn't want a slight buff on damage, but if you got kicked for playing dancer, than they are dumb, because Dancer is one of the strongest jobs in the game for utility, and the DPS if you do it right is more than sufficient. (note yes Bard and Machinist have high output, but only in single target, and the burst window of Dancer is much stronger because it includes group buffs, while bard has ok group buffs that are lack luster at best. And Machinist is selfish DPS, and the weakest Selfish DPS in the game. I would rather a Samurai or Black Mage))

Uh.....
no?

Dancer is like 400 dps behind the second lowest job on personal dps. Bard's party buffs give equivalent, or even more depending on the group composition, raid dps to dancer's buffs, while doing 10-15% more personal dps. Dancer utility absolutely blows. All we have is curing waltz, which while good on paper, is not very useful because healer's are so powerful at lvl 90 and overheal everything with oGCDs.

"But only in single target" as if aoe damage has ever mattered in ffxiv? Encounter design philosophy is 99.9% single target big baddy 2minute windows. "Burst" is a useless statistic. It doesn't matter if dancer does more damage than bard or machinist in the first 15 seconds of the 2minute window, as it does remarkably less damage over the next 105 seconds of the two minute window. Enrage timers do not care if you do all your damage quickly, or over the course of the fight. If you don't do enough damage, you still die, and dancer toes the line.

[Hawuhawuu]

Why are you getting kicked? It could be your rotation is off. I was able to clear savage with dnc and nin in party.

[HyoMinPark]

Huh? My current main (not my posting character) is a Dancer Main, I can keep up with everyone in Deeps, and my partywide buffs and off heals and shields have saved the group from wipes more than once. the Fact I was able to tank a boss long enough for the healers to rezz the party on Nerducla this is everything you need to know about Dancer. Oh and we had a BLM in that run and I was still higher Aggro.

I’m really not trying to be mean here—but if you were “keeping up with the other DPS” in a party, those DPS were just bad. DNC is not a job that is competitive with any other DPS in terms of personal damage in a regular setting. Never has been. If the top DPS in a party is a DNC, then there are a lot of concerns about the other DPS in there.

[Maxilor]

They didn't give us a direct buff. Instead, they buffed our pets. The RPR and DRG pets in particular are stronger now (RPR thanks to changing our abilities into weaponskills).

This is an uncomfortable...but not at all untrue way of mindset when playing DNC.

Just be thankful there's no leashes.

[Vatom]

If you want to guarantee closing any gap, you adjust the potency of DNC’s base combo or other skills that don’t rely on RNGesus being nice. Otherwise, you’re still risking it falling behind should a given DNC have a bad run. And believe me, they exist.

I don't want them to totally close the game I think its fine having low dps but to not have anything in return is foolish like we are going with drk back in HW to StB but that is another fourm
I think proc will allow you to make windows and have sustainable dps, not big boi reaper dps, sustainable one of the reasons range physical was so stand back in the day, play off of that
2 100pot is bigger then 1 200pot its the potential that Im going for not I bench 540 potency

Actually, I don't want more feathers. Procs are a fun idea in general, but they take up brain bandwidth (for the wrong reasons), similar to DOTs. You want the job to be smooth, not marred with RNG. RNG is what made the dancer unappealing in the past, you either did nice damage or none at all, and not thanks to your skill as a player.

Do you want buffs with rng dmg or just dmg? You really can't have both and expect SE to be cool with it.

Brain bandwidth... oh I forgot there are people who didn't like to play the piano but I dont think a dot had much brain power, don't sell yourself short.

The problem is and I'm going to be that dissenting voice....

People pushed really really hard to make DNC fall more into their supporting skills and they should know full well what that meant for them going forward.

They took away its rather interesting niche of being a true skirmisher, DNC had to get in the enemies face to do their step finishes and flourish rotations which made them a somewhat risky, but rewarding job that flit in to burst and then flit back out to do their standard rotation, this was afforded before but taken away because the loudest voices begged for the DNC to be more supportive, to stay back, to focus on buffing their allies more

SE gave those people exactly what they asked for and anyone that has played this game for any length of time knows

the dev team does not like supports being powerful because the games' balance begins to revolve around them.

I wasn't here for HW but I was for ARR and and I remember how necessary things like Stone skin were, you simply couldn't do certain turns of coil without it, the game was being balanced around that ability, so SE did away with it, as they did protect, shellga, cleric stance and many other things that would deem as "we have to balance exclusively around this"

So ever since, supports don't get to be strong, they get to support and not much else.
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Couldn't say it better myself

[HyoMinPark]

I don't want them to totally close the game I think its fine having low dps but to not have anything in return is foolish like we are going with drk back in HW to StB but that is another fourm
I think proc will allow you to make windows and have sustainable dps, not big boi reaper dps, sustainable one of the reasons range physical was so stand back in the day, play off of that
2 100pot is bigger then 1 200pot its the potential that Im going for not I bench 540 potency

Pardon if I’m misunderstanding, but you seem to be under the impression I’m asking for DNC to deal damage equivalent to a RPR? If I’m misreading your post, I apologize—but that isn’t what I’m saying at all. If anything, I actually believe RPR should be nerfed.

RNG damage increases don’t have sustain. They aren’t consistent, so you can’t have consistent damage—instead you just have spikes. SB BRD was very much like this: you could have a god-tier run of a fight one pull, dealing more damage than some of the melee DPS jobs—and then the next run you get hardly no procs during your Raging Strikes window, and just want to pitch yourself off the arena when your opener has no 3-stack Pitch Perfects and no Barraged Refulgent Arrow. And while I adored SB BRD, I will admit that the RNG was incredibly frustrating at times. DNC is much the same way—though a decent opener also being reliant on your Finishes Direct Hit Criting because the discrepancy between a vanilla Tech Finish and a D.Hit Crit one was fairly staggering and equally as bad back in ShB.

The difference between SB BRD and DNC was that BRD’s RNG was able to be manipulated. DNC doesn’t have that, so it has no mitigation against poor runs. You kind of just have to suck it up. Nothing you can do can force RNG to work in your favor the way snapshotting multiple Crit buffs on your DoTs could SB BRD.

Base combo potency increases is better in the long run for more consistent damage. You can’t have consistent damage increases buffing RNG abilities due to the very nature of them being RNG.

[Vatom]

Pardon if I’m misunderstanding, but you seem to be under the impression I’m asking for DNC to deal damage equivalent to a RPR? If I’m misreading your post, I apologize—but that isn’t what I’m saying at all. If anything, I actually believe RPR should be nerfed.

RNG damage increases don’t have sustain. They aren’t consistent, so you can’t have consistent damage—instead you just have spikes. SB BRD was very much like this: you could have a god-tier run of a fight one pull, dealing more damage than some of the melee DPS jobs—and then the next run you get hardly no procs during your Raging Strikes window, and just want to pitch yourself off the arena when your opener has no 3-stack Pitch Perfects and no Barraged Refulgent Arrow. And while I adored SB BRD, I will admit that the RNG was incredibly frustrating at times. DNC is much the same way—though a decent opener also being reliant on your Finishes Direct Hit Criting because the discrepancy between a vanilla Tech Finish and a D.Hit Crit one was fairly staggering and equally as bad back in ShB.

The difference between SB BRD and DNC was that BRD’s RNG was able to be manipulated. DNC doesn’t have that, so it has no mitigation against poor runs. You kind of just have to suck it up. Nothing you can do can force RNG to work in your favor the way snapshotting multiple Crit buffs on your DoTs could SB BRD.

Base combo potency increases is better in the long run for more consistent damage. You can’t have consistent damage increases buffing RNG abilities due to the very nature of them being RNG.

There is something we can agree on Rpr getting nerfed

True RNG damage isn't sustain, that too I agree but I was simply asking to limited RNG with a guarantee at the end of a combo to no waste the effort
To be a more passive form of manipulation when until third GcD (Fountain fall) feathers are a dice roll along with cascade giving you high chance but FF giving you that 1 always
Now that I've articulate it it seems foolish not to see Haha. Your still going to need a increase in pots and to go any other route would simple change DNC as a whole
That is not my goal here, I'll retract my statement for now and look for a better solution

Though I've come to and understanding I still don't believe slapping potency on everything will save the game nor this class but I leave it at that as a start and revise.