Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
There's a lot that we don't know, but what we do know is that prior to the Sundering they chose when they died, unless killed violently. After, they didn't. The only thing going in the story's favor in this regard is its vagueness, a key component in its malleable, years long structure. We don't know how long they lived afterwards. It's clear that everyone was able to survive, at least in the places we've been, but it doesn't change the fact that Venat's Sundering is the root cause of all of their deaths.

Also, the Qitana Ravel cave paintings were made by the Ronkans, an empire civilization implied to be similar in workings to the Allagans, though never outright stated to be a machination of the Ascians, it could have been. Another thing we don't know is where they got the information to paint what was depicted.

I'm the only one with a real argument in our little "tête-à-tête." You are desperate to deny Venat did a great wrong. You ignore that the principle is the same. The shortening of someone else's lifespan.

Think harder.
Ok so I got the Qitana Ravel thing wrong fair enough, I got the impression that it was older that the Ronkans, but I am willing to concede that I am wrong on that point. And at what point have I denied that what Venat did was wrong? I admitted that the sundering was a dick move and while I haven't said it I don't think what she did was morally right but unfortunately, as you said, the whole time period is very vague so who is to say she didn't exhaust all other options.

Except I don't agree the principle is the same thing, for me what you are saying is that when a person dies of natural causes their mother is guilty of killing them because she brought her child into a world that ends with death. Sure Venat had a more direct impact in that she shortened everyone's lifespan but then who is to say that the Ancients couldn't have died natural deaths as well? Nowhere is it stated that they are biologically immortal only that they commit ritual suicide when they believe their purpose is fulfilled. If they were actually immortal then yes your point would be valid.