Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
There's a lot that we don't know, but what we do know is that prior to the Sundering they chose when they died, unless killed violently. After, they didn't. The only thing going in the story's favor in this regard is its vagueness, a key component in its malleable, years long structure. We don't know how long they lived afterwards. It's clear that everyone was able to survive, at least in the places we've been, but it doesn't change the fact that Venat's Sundering is the root cause of all of their deaths.

I'm the only one with a real argument in our little "tête-à-tête." You are desperate to deny Venat did a great wrong. You ignore that the principle is the same. The shortening of someone else's lifespan.

Think harder.
The first sentence is correct yet with no additional information conclusions you have are your own and are not necessary true. The beings had different independent death conditions, and comparing them purely mathematically is just wrong. You can't argue against the point that average Sundered lifespan become longer purely because they stopped randomly killing themselves. By comparing incomparable and drawing conclusions you are just demonstrating bias and nothing more.

About Sundering as death. The Venat's Great Sudering speech states her intentions very clearly: she intents to take away features of people, thus transform them. Now transformation does contain element of Annihilation. It also contains an element of Creation also. So ill concede that She committed Genocide and is responsible of huge amount of deaths. The you concede that she is very literally Progenitor of almost all life on Etherys and is responsible for giving "birth" to most of it from blades of grass to sentient races.

There is also prevalent waving flag of Emets Prejudice against Sundered life here. People calling it inferior and "parody" all the time. While in the story this is not as clear-cut. In ShB it was kind of shown that yeah we are but we still want to live. While in EW it's shown that Sundered life has at least potential to be flat out superior to Unsundered. We have access to two energy types rather than one and have ability to withstand Apocalypses and recover from them. Rather rare ability in Universe it seems. Only Omega and Midgarsormr shown to have it from the alien races.

And the matter of Venat's intention to Sunder. She was not the one that came up with idea at all. As it stands the idea is either paradox created from time loop. Or was introduced by party responsible for time loop.
Venat seems to be unusually aware of time travel inner workings. Perhaps it falls within Azem's portfolio (Wanderer eh?). Perhaps time loop IS the way Azem found to deal with Final Days. That would make our past self ultimately responsible for the Sundering with Venat just playing the role based on the script that WE WROTE.