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[Raven2014]

Exactly. Venat decides you're the best bet based on maybe a weekend of hangout time, and decides not to let the ancients even try to defeat Meteion.

Not that I think its bad, I get what they were going for with the whole "She waited all this time for you, and she even had a backup plan in case it didnt work." BUT it needed a bit of a once over writing wise in regards to the time travel imo.

And that's because her end goal is to stop the end of mankind in the long term, not the final day. The final day is just one of many way for civilization to die, it's merely an mean to an end. People keep asking why Venat doesn't try to stop the final day ... because it's never her goal? Why should it be? She knew the ancient would be able to stop it. By the time Hydaelin was conceived the final day was already stopped by Zodiac, so that was never her purpose anyway. She wanted to make sure mankind can continue to reach new height and flourish without running into the deadend like the dead civilization in Metion's report.

The story implied this through more occassion than you have fingers, yet people still somehow "tunnel vision" into the issue of the final day. Before parting way with you in Elpis, she stated that the key to a long term solution is to seek out the answer to Herme's question. When she met you again and before giving you the last trial, she said "if you pass this test I will listen to the answer of the question I asked you all those years ago". Only once she's satisfied with this she would entrust you with mankind future. The theme song of the game for the last 10 years is even called The Answer people, like how can the story make it more obvious to you!? Hell, even Emer-Setch last word allure to the samething, he still pissed that she sundered them, but admit his method (relying on Zodiac) would not have take mankind to the new height like Hydaelin did.

[Sclair0]

And that's because her end goal is to stop the end of mankind in the long term, not the final day. The final day is just one of many way for civilization to die, it's merely an mean to an end. People keep asking why Venat doesn't try to stop the final day ... because it's never her goal? Why should it be?

Because preventing the end of civilization is generally a good thing, and working with the people you've known for decades to tackle a problem is generally more favourable than working with someone you met for a couple hours ago, just cause they smell vaguely like your own magic.

The story implied this through more occassion than you have fingers, yet people still somehow "tunnel vision" into the issue of the final day. Before parting way with you in Elpis, she stated that the key to a long term solution is to seek out the answer to Herme's question. When she met you again and before giving you the last trial, she said "if you pass this test I will listen to the answer of the question I asked you all those years ago". Only once she's satisfied with this she would entrust you with mankind future. The theme song of the game for the last 10 years is even called The Answer people, like how can the story make it more obvious to you!? Hell, even Emer-Setch last word allure to the samething, he still pissed that she sundered them, but admit his method (relying on Zodiac) would not have take mankind to the new height like Hydaelin did.

I don't think any of this addresses the main problem of my complaint on the time travel holes. Venat keeps everything to herself and the only diegetic reasoning she explained is "Hermes might not work with us if he knew." She wants to solve the problem of a nihilistic universe but lets absolutely no one attempt to tackle the issue. (Though maybe some of that will be tackled in the Twelve Raid.)

The issue isnt "Hur dur Final Days is the problem" (Though like, genuinely preventing the suffering caused by it should have been or her agenda, and killing/changing Meteions nest is basically all we do as our answer anyway). The issue is she let no one in on any plans.

The funny thing is she actually failed. In the original timeline the WoL dies never knowing the plan, if it hadn't been for a collaboration of the leftover learned people (something she explicitly avoided using) she'd have failed entirely in her plan to bank everything on the WoL.

Now I absolutely love the Endwalker story. Thematically its great (everything surrounding Venat as well). It just needed some diagetic touch ups

[xenahawk]

Now i might be mistaken and the flashback to the "sundering" might be decieving but i was under the impression that there were ancients that sided with vanet's "solution". Maybe im wrong but i could i sworn i remeber thst in the story from shadowbringers. So vanet didnt work alone and before you went back she explained about having to tread carefully in who she can trust.

[Raven2014]

I don't think any of this addresses the main problem of my complaint on the time travel holes. Venat keeps everything to herself and the only diegetic reasoning she explained is "Hermes might not work with us if he knew."

And ... it's because she has the perfect reason both pre-and-post hindsight? I mean ... even after given the full story, and that his action will lead to the end of the world, he freaking did it anyway "muahaha we're all deserve to die!", that's why he let Metion escape while try to mindwipe the group. Aeon later with all of his memory restored and he's still not changed as evidence in his lines in the final dungeon. So yeah, I would say Venat was pretty on point in trying to keep him in the dark.

On the other hand, Venat knew he was one of the key architect in stopping the incoming disaster. Remember post Elpis thing is already in motion, it was no longer a question of if but when. It makes perfect sense to use Hermes's knowledge in stalling the disaster, because all points toward if he caught wind of the "truth", not only he would probably not help in fighting the first Final Day, he probably would help accelerate it!

Like I said many time, people are free to agree or disagree with Venat decision. But hers is one made with solid foundation and reasoning, not because she simply took our words for it.

[Sclair0]

And ... it's because she has the perfect reason both pre-and-post hindsight? I mean ... even after given the full story, and that his action will lead to the end of the world, he freaking did it anyway "muahaha we're all deserve to die!", that's why he let Metion escape while try to mindwipe the group. Aeon later with all of his memory restored and he's still not changed as evidence in his lines in the final dungeon. So yeah, I would say Venat was pretty on point in trying to keep him in the dark.

Like I said many time, people are free to agree or disagree with Venat decision. But hers is one made with solid foundation and reasoning, not because she simply took our words for it.

I disagree it's solid reasoning to let the world end 8 different times because one guy might not use his expertise in dynamis to help you solve a problem you wont even tell anyone is a problem. Especially after that guy is sundered and you no longer even have the risk of losing the expertise from telling the people who remain.

The issue isn't not telling Hermes, its not telling anyone (publicly, I do think they will expand on who she did tell with the raid) just to 'gain' Hermes expertise against the final days.

But again this is mostly a complaint about the In World logic. The story flow works fine.