So you're telling me..

[Ransu]

No. It doesn't matter if you do the number with your own hands, or if your magic number make-go-bigger makes somebody else do the number. The number is still your number. If your number from other players + your own number is still smaller than the number of another job that does all of its number on its own (sam, blm, mch), then there is no reason to ever play a buffing job.

Your number +7 others benefiting from a buff vs a single dps giving no buff to the raid and can only contribute with their dps....RPR competing and in some fights outright beating SAM while also having a raid wide heal and a raid wide dps buff.....hmmm. Ya no sorry, but sam contributing nothing other than dps should have no equal with the other melee jobs. RPR damage should be in the range of drg after drg gets a proper buff to bring it up a bit and mnk needs to be in that same range.

ALL of the prog groups yesterday were running RPR. I don't think I saw a SAM in any of them. Why would they bring one when RPR does SAM damage and brings great raid utility?

[Kazimere]

Your number +7 others benefiting from a buff vs a single dps giving no buff to the raid and can only contribute with their dps....RPR competing and in some fights outright beating SAM while also having a raid wide heal and a raid wide dps buff.....hmmm. Ya no sorry, but sam contributing nothing other than dps should have no equal with the other melee jobs. RPR damage should be in the range of drg after drg gets a proper buff to bring it up a bit and mnk needs to be in that same range.

ALL of the prog groups yesterday were running RPR. I don't think I saw a SAM in any of them. Why would they bring one when RPR does SAM damage and brings great raid utility?

There were a few. There was even one in the top ten that didn't have a reaper at all. It was a Samurai/Ninja combo. Imagine that.

[Akiudo]

Your number +7 others benefiting from a buff... RPR competing and in some fights outright beating SAM while also having a raid wide... dps buff

okay, i know this concept is hard (like, i don't understand WHY it is hard but as often as it gets mentioned obviously it IS hard). that statement is wrong. Reaper is NOT beating SAM while also having a dps buff, it is beating reaper because it has a dps buff, theres a very big difference here.

[Kazimere]

okay, i know this concept is hard (like, i don't understand WHY it is hard but as often as it gets mentioned obviously it IS hard. that statement is wrong. Reaper is NOT beating SAM while alsohaving a dps buff, it is beating reaper because it has a dps buff, theres a very big difference here.

What's sad, is that Ninja was beating Samurai in rDPS back in StB. So was Dragoon, when at max level. I wonder if Ransu was saying the same thing then as he is now? Probably not. Reaper gets hate because it's new, and they hate us cause they want to be us.

[Mysticunicycle]

What's sad, is that Ninja was beating Samurai in rDPS back in StB. So was Dragoon, when at max level. I wonder if Ransu was saying the same thing then as he is now? Probably not. Reaper gets hate because it's new, and they hate us cause they want to be us.

Absolutely no hate, as the expansion and thus the balance was rushed for myriad reasons, but there is a certain sense of disappointment when the best dancer log on P1S does less rDPS than the median reaper log.