Quote Originally Posted by Akiudo View Post
dps buffs are NOT utility. Utility buffs are utility and should be treated as such (meaning something that is not dps but still valuable to the group, i.e. it should be counted against their dps to a reasonable degree. dps buffs however are just that, dps. people more often than not however are arguing that dps buffs should be a reason to do lower rdps, and that argument realistically boils down to

"you buff the group for 1500 dps so you should personally do 1700 dps less yourself" which yes, sounds incredibly stupid if you phrase it like that, but that's because it is.
Uh, what? DPS buffs that apply to the entire raid are absolutely utilities.