Summoner feels really, really dumbed down now

[Rolder50]

What is the goal? The return of poison magic and its interactions? There is not much chance of that ever resurfacing in Summoner again but if you ask politely there is a nonzero chance of Necromancer, Time Mage, or a similar caster being added in 7.0 where they could include those mechanics. Further explorations of its original themes/lore? Possible if we end up going to Meracydia, but since new job quests each expansion are no more it's not very likely either.

I can’t speak for others on here of course, but my own issue with Summoner is that there is no depth, no complexity, no requirement to engage your brain with the current rotation. Ergo, my goal would be to have additional abilities added. More things to weave during the copious amount of room afforded by all the instant casts. More interactions between summons. More things to do and keep track of.

I’m not that particular on what form this depth takes. Would I mind reversion back to 5.1? Nah, I’d be fine with that personally, though I also acknowledge it’s not going to happen. Just give the job something, ANYTHING, that adds a modicum of depth.

[xxmiamorecadenza]

I can’t speak for others on here of course, but my own issue with Summoner is that there is no depth, no complexity, no requirement to engage your brain with the current rotation.

Tbh. This is my perspective. SMN mains went from having a layered job with complexity interwoven in its general structure to...

Well, I leveled SMN to max and it ain't even the least bit difficult for someone who never played the job to pick up. There's barely a learning curve present. I personally view it as partially braindead and its hot bar utterly barren in comparison to other level 90 jobs.

[Dyvid]

I can’t speak for others on here of course, but my own issue with Summoner is that there is no depth, no complexity, no requirement to engage your brain with the current rotation.

This is my perspective and complaint as well. What hurts is it didn't even have to end up this way. You could have had this redesign yet pave it with call backs from the old job.

This image right here is how to create a good summoning mechanic: 3 Astral Calls and 3 Umbral Calls. Astral Aetherflow lets you call the three primals, bonus damage when done in the element flow sequence, then after all three it unlocks DWT/Bahamut. Umbral Aetherflow calls the three primals and it unlock FWT/Phoenix.