Healer design is still terrible and I'm tired of apologizing for it.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

We all derive our fun differently. For some, parsing higher is what gives them the thrills, since a clear is just repeating something they've already done countless times. If you don't like that playstyle, join other groups that don't do it, but as much as you think your opinions matter, other people's playstyle and fun matters too.

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

[Halfgeeek]

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

Let's put it this way. Why do you gear up?

To clear content easier & faster? The same content you've already so many times? Is that satisfying?

To me, it would be quite boring. So there being other goals is expected, and normal.

If you want your opinions on fun or the right way to be respected, at the least, respect other people's way of playing & their fun.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Let's put it this way. Why do you gear up?

To clear content easier & faster? The same content you've already so many times? Is that satisfying?

To me, it would be quite boring. So there being other goals is expected, and normal.

If you want your opinions on fun or the right way to be respected, at the least, respect other people's way of playing & their fun.

I guess I see your point. It still feels a bit elitist to me but I can respect they might think I’m iron trying to pretend to be diamond.

[EaMett]

I guess I see your point. It still feels a bit elitist to me but I can respect they might think I’m iron trying to pretend to be diamond.

It's not elitist, it's honestly much simpler. It's the same reason anyone wants to get better at anything. You don't even need an outside incentive, it can be its own reward. Substitute any other skill and the reasoning would be similar.

[ForteNightshade]

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

As one of those players, yes. Getting gear to essentially do nothing with isn't fun. Using said gear to try and continuously improve my performance is. Not say anything negative towards players who just wanna get their weeklies done and move on but I, personally, find that incredibly boring. To each their own.

If someone is BIS has cleared extremes and normals in EW that should tell you they can “handle it”

Is that why come week 20 of Eden's Promise players in full i530 gear were still seeing mechanics that other groups regularly skipped entirely? Or why supposed "farm" parties for the two current EXs have players who die several times to the same handful of mechanics? Obtaining "BiS" doesn't mean squat if the player isn't skilled enough to actually do anything with it.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

As one of those players, yes. Getting gear to essentially do nothing with isn't fun. Using said gear to try and continuously improve my performance is. Not say anything negative towards players who just wanna get their weeklies done and move on but I, personally, find that incredibly boring. To each their own.



Is that why come week 20 of Eden's Promise players in full i530 gear were still seeing mechanics that other groups regularly skipped entirely? Or why supposed "farm" parties for the two current EXs have players who die several times to the same handful of mechanics? Obtaining "BiS" doesn't mean squat if the player isn't skilled enough to actually do anything with it.

I can only agree for Ex1 since there is zero reason to learn that fight. Just pop expedient and follow the triangle.

[Rilifane]

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

Yes, why not?
There are 3 things about raiding that are fun for me: first week/ early tier blind prog, doing alt class runs and trying to perform well on them and mid/ late tier optimization with uptime strats, "how low can we go?" and so on. That whole "steamroll boss while netflixing to get shinies" is completely irrelevant and not fun for me. The kill itself isn't fun for me, it's just a result that happens eventually, depending on how well the party performs. Gear itself also doesn't mean much to me and I always willingly go last in every static because I know it has more impact on dps and even tanks and I don't want to get better numbers by having better gear but by playing better.
Getting a slightly higher parse through gear alone doesn't mean anything to me, getting that GCD in I kept dropping does even if my parse didn't increase at all.
Everyone is capped at BiS and I will catch up eventually and then I can put all that practice to good use and see what gear and improved gameplay results in and go for log runs.