Healer design is still terrible and I'm tired of apologizing for it.

[Nizzi]

I hate the first picture you posted, all those random buttons, that a player has to learn to use etc as a HEALER. That's why I hate that.

I would genuinely love to see you explain, in your opinions, why your Paladin should have all these "random buttons" that you have to learn as a TANK but healers can't be allowed to have more than 1 Nuke, 1 DoT, 1 oGCD. Something tells me you'll either ignore this or try to deflect and say something along the lines of "It's different for tanks, healing is like the hardest most stressful thing in the game!!!"

[AFuzzyMu11in]

I would genuinely love to see you explain, in your opinions, why your Paladin should have all these "random buttons" that you have to learn as a TANK but healers can't be allowed to have more than 1 Nuke, 1 DoT, 1 oGCD. Something tells me you'll either ignore this or try to deflect and say something along the lines of "It's different for tanks, healing is like the hardest most stressful thing in the game!!!"

Because when you are the healer, you are monitoring people's status, debuffs, raid mechanics, their health etc. Tanks position the boss, and use mitigation, maybe a targeted protection here or there but they are not spending so much time focused on the rest of the parties status.

Personally, especially now after my interaction with a raider I really think healer should stay the way it is, some guy actually asked for my parses because it "matters" to do savage lmao as a healer.

Yes because all the random Healing buttons we have are any better. You have to learn how to use Protraction and Expedient don't you? How is it any different than learning your DPS rotation? What about learning to use Recitation? Seraph? The argument that you have to learn how to properly play your job is not an argument, it's a scapegoat to disguise laziness, pure and simple. You can't be bothered to learn and just want to complain that "it's too hard" because that's easier and it's sad.

I could be bothered to learn, I just don't want to, and I don't think healer the role subject for so much responsibility should be subject to that. Tank is one thing less responsibility, dps is just kill things, but healer is every role combined tbh if you want to be honest. I can break down my thoughts on this if you really want me to.

[HyoMinPark]

Because when you are the healer, you are monitoring people's status, debuffs, raid mechanics, their health etc. Tanks position the boss, and use mitigation, maybe a targeted protection here or there but they are not spending so much time focused on the rest of the parties status.

Personally, especially now after my interaction with a raider I really think healer should stay the way it is, some guy actually asked for my parses because it "matters" to do savage lmao as a healer.

Specifically on the parse aspect, if you were looking to join a midcore static or higher, it’s not that far-fetched for them to ask for parses since their goals are generally more than “clear once a week for gear”. Join a group that doesn’t ask for them, but don’t be miffed when a private static does. Not your business to dictate their recruitment. And why are you getting upset because groups want to know what kind of player they may be getting for a Savage group?

For a healer, logs are quite important. They want to know how well you’re performing your role—which, according to your statement below, is basically the most important role in a group. Why wouldn’t they want to know how you perform in high-end content? It’s the same for any other role, but especially for a healer.

That said:

I could be bothered to learn, I just don't want to, and I don't think healer the role subject for so much responsibility should be subject to that. Tank is one thing less responsibility, dps is just kill things, but healer is every role combined tbh if you want to be honest. I can break down my thoughts on this if you really want me to.

Weak excuse. If you don’t want to learn your job, then please leave it to those of us who do. Healer responsibility is quite low. Considering I can heal both EX primals with just oGCDs…

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Specifically on the parse aspect, if you were looking to join a midcore static or higher, it’s not that far-fetched for them to ask for parses since their goals are generally more than “clear once a week for gear”. Join a group that doesn’t ask for them, but don’t be miffed when a private static does. Not your business to dictate their recruitment. And why are you getting upset because groups want to know what kind of player they may be getting for a Savage group?

For a healer, logs are quite important. They want to know how well you’re performing your role—which, according to your statement below, is basically the most important role in a group. Why wouldn’t they want to know how you perform in high-end content? It’s the same for any other role, but especially for a healer.

That said:



Weak excuse. If you don’t want to learn your job, then please leave it to those of us who do. Healer responsibility is quite low. Considering I can heal both EX primals with just oGCDs…

Obviously if I'm rocking BIS, and there isn't much of a opener/rotation for healer, that means that I know how to do my job? It's just elite mentality IMO, also why would your goal be anything more than clearing for gear? Get your gear clear for everyone and get out, what else is there to it? Imagine if healers were more complex only to let elitest raiders try to set requirements higher for what you must "prove" in order to be dignified good enough to clear them. Smh this is why I can't stand raiders.

[Halfgeeek]

Obviously if I'm rocking BIS, and there isn't much of a opener/rotation for healer, that means that I know how to do my job? It's just elite mentality IMO, also why would your goal be anything more than clearing for gear? Get your gear clear for everyone and get out, what else is there to it? Imagine if healers were more complex only to let elitest raiders try to set requirements higher for what you must "prove" in order to be dignified good enough to clear them. Smh this is why I can't stand raiders.

We all derive our fun differently. For some, parsing higher is what gives them the thrills, since a clear is just repeating something they've already done countless times. If you don't like that playstyle, join other groups that don't do it, but as much as you think your opinions matter, other people's playstyle and fun matters too.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

We all derive our fun differently. For some, parsing higher is what gives them the thrills, since a clear is just repeating something they've already done countless times. If you don't like that playstyle, join other groups that don't do it, but as much as you think your opinions matter, other people's playstyle and fun matters too.

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

[Halfgeeek]

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

Let's put it this way. Why do you gear up?

To clear content easier & faster? The same content you've already so many times? Is that satisfying?

To me, it would be quite boring. So there being other goals is expected, and normal.

If you want your opinions on fun or the right way to be respected, at the least, respect other people's way of playing & their fun.

[ForteNightshade]

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

As one of those players, yes. Getting gear to essentially do nothing with isn't fun. Using said gear to try and continuously improve my performance is. Not say anything negative towards players who just wanna get their weeklies done and move on but I, personally, find that incredibly boring. To each their own.

If someone is BIS has cleared extremes and normals in EW that should tell you they can “handle it”

Is that why come week 20 of Eden's Promise players in full i530 gear were still seeing mechanics that other groups regularly skipped entirely? Or why supposed "farm" parties for the two current EXs have players who die several times to the same handful of mechanics? Obtaining "BiS" doesn't mean squat if the player isn't skilled enough to actually do anything with it.

[Rilifane]

Some people play to legit just get higher numbers? Not get the gear and get out? WTH are you serious?

Yes, why not?
There are 3 things about raiding that are fun for me: first week/ early tier blind prog, doing alt class runs and trying to perform well on them and mid/ late tier optimization with uptime strats, "how low can we go?" and so on. That whole "steamroll boss while netflixing to get shinies" is completely irrelevant and not fun for me. The kill itself isn't fun for me, it's just a result that happens eventually, depending on how well the party performs. Gear itself also doesn't mean much to me and I always willingly go last in every static because I know it has more impact on dps and even tanks and I don't want to get better numbers by having better gear but by playing better.
Getting a slightly higher parse through gear alone doesn't mean anything to me, getting that GCD in I kept dropping does even if my parse didn't increase at all.
Everyone is capped at BiS and I will catch up eventually and then I can put all that practice to good use and see what gear and improved gameplay results in and go for log runs.

[HyoMinPark]

Obviously if I'm rocking BIS, and there isn't much of a opener/rotation for healer, that means that I know how to do my job? It's just elite mentality IMO, also why would your goal be anything more than clearing for gear? Get your gear clear for everyone and get out, what else is there to it? Imagine if healers were more complex only to let elitest raiders try to set requirements higher for what you must "prove" in order to be dignified good enough to clear them. Smh this is why I can't stand raiders.

Um. No. It doesn’t. Gear is meaningless if you have zero desire to learn your job.

Also there is plenty to do other than just getting gear. Parsing/chasing leaderboards. Speedkilling. Playing other jobs in the content. Trying different strats. Preparing for Ultimate. There’s plenty more than just “getting your gear and getting out”.