Parsing unfair but okay?

[KageTokage]

I'm not against parsers in a void, but FFLogs existing as a permanent performance record that you can't escape from is aggravating.

[YukikoKurosawa]

The simple solution would be to make the addons unusable with the game's client. They can't stop people from demanding it (so long as they aren't doing so in public), true, but if the addon can't be used at all, then it's entirely mute. Is that possible? I don't know, but I don't see why it wouldn't.

Also, no, parsing is not an indicator of skill at all. An indicator of skill in this game is following the mechanics properly, not dying, and managing to kill the boss without hitting an enrage and auto-wiping the party. Parsing, dps meters, etc., never has been and never will be anything more than glorified epeen meters. You are not "carrying" people by letting someone who doesn't have parses into your static. If you need something like parses to determine skill than that's a greater indicator of your own competence or lack thereof. The only reason people care about parsing is because they want to flex an arbitrary number on others, it has nothing to do with caring about skill, let alone downing bosses effectively.

When I see people complain about a boss being killed TOO FAST because that "ruined muh parse" (yes this has happened), that says everything right there. Parsers just want to flex a magic number. They get angry at non-parsers because they can't see non-parsers magic numbers and so they can't know if their own magic number is bigger or not. That's all it's really about. Just be honest about it and don't pretend you care about "skill".

But as others have said OP, report them. There are peoople saying OP can't because it's from discord, when she stated that she's seen people requiring parses in Party Finder. That's 100% against the rules and they will be banned if you report them.

[HyoMinPark]

Also, no, parsing is not an indicator of skill at all. An indicator of skill in this game is following the mechanics properly, not dying, and managing to kill the boss without hitting an enrage and auto-wiping the party. Parsing, dps meters, etc., never has been and never will be anything more than glorified epeen meters. You are not "carrying" people by letting someone who doesn't have parses into your static. If you need something like parses to determine skill than that's a greater indicator of your own competence or lack thereof. The only reason people care about parsing is because they want to flex an arbitrary number on others, it has nothing to do with caring about skill, let alone downing bosses effectively.

Except a parse shows all of this and then some.

Following mechanics and not dying? Parse shows that. They keep death tallies.

Killing the boss before enrage? Also shows that. They’re literally a damage meter. They show damage. Damage is key to killing a fight before a boss enrages. Parses and logs also have timers to show just how fast you kill said boss.


Parses also show the opposite—

Not following mechanics and dying? They show death counts. And logs will show vulnerability stacks/damage downs that result in eating things you shouldn’t be eating; which may imply mechanical deficiency, but there are also situations where eating a vulnerability stack is more of a gain than a loss. Especially if one stack won’t kill you.

Failing to kill the boss before enrage? Enrage is a damage check. Parses show damage. Low parses = you’ll likely hit enrage in a fight that has one. Logs go deeper and show core rotational errors leading to your poor damage. Some leeway has to be given for gear discrepancies, of course; but rotational issues are glaringly obvious when you start looking at logs. And logs wouldn’t be possible without a parser.


If you look at a log with oranges, you can absolutely, comfortably say that a person is skilled at their job, their rotation, and the mechanics of a given fight. You don’t get oranges if you’re bad.

[Lauren]

When I see people complain about a boss being killed TOO FAST because that "ruined muh parse" (yes this has happened), that says everything right there. Parsers just want to flex a magic number. They get angry at non-parsers because they can't see non-parsers magic numbers and so they can't know if their own magic number is bigger or not. That's all it's really about. Just be honest about it and don't pretend you care about "skill".

But as others have said OP, report them. There are peoople saying OP can't because it's from discord, when she stated that she's seen people requiring parses in Party Finder. That's 100% against the rules and they will be banned if you report them.

1) Killing a boss quickly is GOOD for parse data so the person who complained is clearly an idiot.
2) Parsing is not all about FLEX. I parse myself, I use it to improve. Compare myself to other BRDs and learn from them. You are so uneducated about parsing if you think the only reason people do it is for e-peen points.
3) What is there to report? OP applied to a MID CORE static who wanted specific information for their runs. Why would they be punished for requesting such data?


If I run a lalafell only raid group, and the person applies and I check them on lodestone and they're not a lalafell, am I to be punished?

What about a girl only raid group? and a guy pretends to be a girl to join? We find out and kick him. Am I to be punished?

If I run a hard core raid group, where I expect excellent DPS, CD synergy and knowledge of the fights and all jobs, and they say "I've got no parse data", am I to be punished for turning them away?



How do you feel about speed running games? Where people figure out the most optimal way to beat the game as fast as possible? There are people who enjoy the game differently to you. Let them.

I literally find all the RP Clubbing stuff going on in FFXIV cringe. When I tell people I play FFXIV, they think I sit in there emote clubs and ERP with people. I hate it. So much. Do I want people to not be able to do it? Ofc not! They can enjoy what I do not.

[Airforlife]

The simple solution would be to make the addons unusable with the game's client. They can't stop people from demanding it (so long as they aren't doing so in public), true, but if the addon can't be used at all, then it's entirely mute. Is that possible? I don't know, but I don't see why it wouldn't.

Also, no, parsing is not an indicator of skill at all. An indicator of skill in this game is following the mechanics properly, not dying, and managing to kill the boss without hitting an enrage and auto-wiping the party. Parsing, dps meters, etc., never has been and never will be anything more than glorified epeen meters. You are not "carrying" people by letting someone who doesn't have parses into your static. If you need something like parses to determine skill than that's a greater indicator of your own competence or lack thereof. The only reason people care about parsing is because they want to flex an arbitrary number on others, it has nothing to do with caring about skill, let alone downing bosses effectively.

When I see people complain about a boss being killed TOO FAST because that "ruined muh parse" (yes this has happened), that says everything right there. Parsers just want to flex a magic number. They get angry at non-parsers because they can't see non-parsers magic numbers and so they can't know if their own magic number is bigger or not. That's all it's really about. Just be honest about it and don't pretend you care about "skill".

But as others have said OP, report them. There are peoople saying OP can't because it's from discord, when she stated that she's seen people requiring parses in Party Finder. That's 100% against the rules and they will be banned if you report them.

So you pretty much saying that OP should report them just,because OP hasnt been accepted to static DD not even funny to be fair.

[Lauren]

I'm not against parsers in a void, but FFLogs existing as a permanent performance record that you can't escape from is aggravating.

I'm pro parse and pro-fflogs but I agree with this statement. There should be a "wipe past parses" option for players

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I'm not against parsers in a void, but FFLogs existing as a permanent performance record that you can't escape from is aggravating.

On the contrary, I actually loved this about the logs. Serves as a reminder where we used to be and/or how average consistency is the key rather than the extreme end of spectrum.

Then again if somebody decides to selectively pull our less favorable records to berate, that actually says a lot more about them.

[HyoMinPark]

On the contrary, I actually loved this about the logs. Serves as a reminder where we used to be and/or how average consistency is the key rather than the extreme end of spectrum.

Then again if somebody decides to selectively pull our less favorable records to berate, that actually says a lot more about them.

I like seeing growth throughout the tiers and expansions, personally. People that are actually worth their salt as raiders know what to look for when looking at current and past logs. They won’t cherry-pick someone’s grey logs where they died or their first clear log and use that as a metric for judgement. But I know that goes against the whole anti-parser/anti-logs narrative, so it’s never considered in these discussions.

[Endariel]

Snip.

*Sigh*. You evaluate the logs AFTER the boss the killed. Generally youu don't take into account all the previous wipes.
And if the boss is i deed killed, that checks 3 of your marks
1) boss cleared within enrage timer
2 & 3) the person in question knows how to perform mechanics because (henceforth does not die) otherwise it would invalidate previous point or severely decrease final performance if the boss is killed regardless.

It even shows if the person was greeding by displaying the number of vuln stacks they got over the fight

Fflogs is a wonderful tool showing enormous amount of information beyond your simple deeps

[Minnel]

b) you straight up admit in-game that you are using a parser, as in the sentence "I'm looking at your numbers on my parser and your DPS is shit bro." This is an excellent way to commit account seppuku with a GM serving as your kaishakunin and I extremely suggest not doing this.

As ridiculous as this sounds, all they have to say is that they added up all your damage with calculator and the dps was shit. They might get temp ban for harrassment but nothing parsing related offense lol.