Let's talk Scholar: Changes, Class fantasy and Abilities

[Kabzy]

Are you doing speed runs where losing 100 potency energy drains to healing oGCDs is that big a deal?

We're at the start of a new xpac, and SCH is already #2 rDPS.

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...&class=Healers

On a healer with a raid buff that scales better as people improve their own DPS through gear & optimizations. It's not as sad as many of you make it out to be.

Remember pre-EW, where so many called SCH doomed, obsolete by SGE, without anything worthwhile & good in EW? Yeah, I do, it wasn't that long ago. Turns out SCH is fine.

I think you're being a little dramatic, they didn't even bring numbers into this.

SCH is fine as you've mentioned, but it doesn't take away from the fact that SGE gets to do everything SCH can and also use their OGCDs for multiple scenarios for a GAIN in MP. While for SCH using AF healing abilities is the opposite. It's not the end of the world, and the job is doing fine, but you can hardly call it good design for a game that is so heavily DPS based. People have rarely complained about the viability of SCH, it's always been about clunky design and simply not feeling anywhere near as satisfying as it's 2.x/3.x iterations.

[Halfgeeek]

SCH is fine as you've mentioned, but it doesn't take away from the fact that SGE gets to do everything SCH can and also use their OGCDs for multiple scenarios for a GAIN in MP. While for SCH using AF healing abilities is the opposite. It's not the end of the world, and the job is doing fine, but you can hardly call it good design for a game that is so heavily DPS based. People have rarely complained about the viability of SCH, it's always been about clunky design and simply not feeling anywhere near as satisfying as it's 2.x/3.x iterations.

SGE gains 7% MP per AG oGCD, 21% per minute. SCH gains 20% MP just with AF. Not that different. SCH just has options to its 3 AF spenders, and yes, it's good that it's optional to use it for healing if required, or extra DPS if not. Not that the extra DPS of ED makes much difference in the grand scheme of things. :/

[Kabzy]

SGE gains 7% MP per AG oGCD, 21% per minute. SCH gains 20% MP just with AF. Not that different. SCH just has options to its 3 AF spenders, and yes, it's good that it's optional to use it for healing if required, or extra DPS if not. Not that the extra DPS of ED makes much difference in the grand scheme of things. :/

Again, you're going with all numbers. People who actually play SCH in endgame content know that it isn't lacking in any way whatsoever in regards to viability. The issue comes in the satisfaction derived from its kit. To play optimally, a SCH won't cast shields other than consolation, and will never use an AF heal unless absolutely necessary. We are healers at the end of the day, and SGE actually being able to use the majority of its kit without any drawbacks is much better design.

You're debating something different and completely missing the point here. Our DPS already took a massive hit compared to the other healers, and even the healing kit either doesn't synergise or isn't optimal to use. I think SCH is nicer in 6.0 than it was in 5.x, but it's still bad job design.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Again, you're going with all numbers. People who actually play SCH in endgame content know that it isn't lacking in any way whatsoever in regards to viability. The issue comes in the satisfaction derived from its kit. To play optimally, a SCH won't cast shields other than consolation, and will never use an AF heal unless absolutely necessary. We are healers at the end of the day, and SGE actually being able to use the majority of its kit without any drawbacks is much better design.

You're debating something different and completely missing the point here. Our DPS already took a massive hit compared to the other healers, and even the healing kit either doesn't synergise or isn't optimal to use. I think SCH is nicer in 6.0 than it was in 5.x, but it's still bad job design.

I don’t know what content your doing where you have the luxury to not use AF heals, also succor is better than consolation. I enjoy weaving illumination into succor next. Or dissipation into succor. GCD heals are very important this expansion especially right now.

[Kabzy]

I don’t know what content your doing where you have the luxury to not use AF heals, also succor is better than consolation. I enjoy weaving illumination into succor next. Or dissipation into succor. GCD heals are very important this expansion especially right now.

Both EX trials have been completed without a single healer. And with 2 healers they are very easy to do without using anything but free OGCDs. GCD heals haven't been important since before the last expansion.

[AFuzzyMu11in]

Both EX trials have been completed without a single healer. And with 2 healers they are very easy to do without using anything but free OGCDs. GCD heals haven't been important since before the last expansion.

Glad your DF groups been like this mine have not.

[Halfgeeek]

Both EX trials have been completed without a single healer. And with 2 healers they are very easy to do without using anything but free OGCDs. GCD heals haven't been important since before the last expansion.

When you play with a great group as a healer, you're rewarded with higher DPS potential because you do not need to heal as much/often. This isn't any different to other healers, for example, WHM and their lilies.

On SGE, their complaint is that their MP is tied to their healing, and when its not required, they still have to bust it out anyway and overheal, feeling like they wasted resources.

We've discussed these things in the past, the healer design that requires more healing is only applicable in random pug/DF. In statics and such, DPS matters more, and because ED still exist and with 1.5s broils, it allows for SCH to chase after higher numbers at the expense of healing, which isn't required when the grp plays well so there's no loss.

[Brandedblade]

Again, you're going with all numbers. People who actually play SCH in endgame content know that it isn't lacking in any way whatsoever in regards to viability. The issue comes in the satisfaction derived from its kit. To play optimally, a SCH won't cast shields other than consolation, and will never use an AF heal unless absolutely necessary. We are healers at the end of the day, and SGE actually being able to use the majority of its kit without any drawbacks is much better design.

You're debating something different and completely missing the point here. Our DPS already took a massive hit compared to the other healers, and even the healing kit either doesn't synergise or isn't optimal to use. I think SCH is nicer in 6.0 than it was in 5.x, but it's still bad job design.

TBH, you can pry big adlo deploys from my cold dead hands, i'm absolutely ok with casting a handful fewer broils if it means i can laugh about how little damage a raidwide just did to my group. Succor? Never heard of her.

[WaxSw]

TBH, you can pry big adlo deploys from my cold dead hands, i'm absolutely ok with casting a handful fewer broils if it means i can laugh about how little damage a raidwide just did to my group. Succor? Never heard of her.

They were talking about optimal gameplay not preference, you can choose to deploy an adlo every 90s but that doesnt mean that outside uptime strats is suboptimal compared to consolation if party needs shields to begin with

[Sebazy]

TBH, you can pry big adlo deploys from my cold dead hands, i'm absolutely ok with casting a handful fewer broils if it means i can laugh about how little damage a raidwide just did to my group. Succor? Never heard of her.

I've played in groups at all levels from those chasing world prog rankings down to casual retirement home tier teams. At all levels of play it's always been an amusing little highlight when the SCH has managed to 0 damage a raid bosses big intermission AoE. Does it really have any bearing on the fight? No. Does it put a grin on faces? I think so at least.

It's one of those increasingly rare cases where you can feel like you've had an actual impact without needing to have a group that's tripping over their own feet to get your time to shine.