Please fix the “naked queueing” for Aliance Raids

[Saraide]

Because they actively block me from doing those raids, which I want to do, by forcing the queue to always align with their preference and never with mine, despite that it is ostensibly intended to impartially serve both of us.

Yea how dare new players try to queue up for the mandatory crystal tower raids. In my experience there is pretty much always the first time completion bonus active so those runs would have happened anyway even if no one did gear cheesing.

Because the whole point of a roulette is VARIATION. if I wanted to run the same thing over and over and over, I would just use Trusts or queue for the highest available dungeon. especially in Endwalker since they give a ton of exp.

The point of roulettes is to fill up duties for new players. I've done many alliance raid runs recently and I dont remember getting any of the crystal tower raids without also having the first time completion bonus active.

[kejakalope]

Yea how dare new players try to queue up for the mandatory crystal tower raids. In my experience there is pretty much always the first time completion bonus active so those runs would have happened anyway even if no one did gear cheesing.

You might want to try to read the thread before replying, or maybe reading the post you're responding to if that's too much work. This is a discussion of cheating the queue by gearing down. Nobody is complaining about sprouts who need a clear.

[Front2battle]

Yea how dare new players try to queue up for the mandatory crystal tower raids. In my experience there is pretty much always the first time completion bonus active so those runs would have happened anyway even if no one did gear cheesing.



The point of roulettes is to fill up duties for new players. I've done many alliance raid runs recently and I dont remember getting any of the crystal tower raids without also having the first time completion bonus active.

well then your Data center is better than mine, its a 50/50 if a crystal tower has a first time bonus.
coincidentally, EVERY Ivalice or Void Ark raid has a first time bonus.

[Saraide]

well then your Data center is better than mine, its a 50/50 if a crystal tower has a first time bonus.
coincidentally, EVERY Ivalice or Void Ark raid has a first time bonus.

We are on the same data center. Out of curiosity, when during the day are you queueing for alliance roulette?

True, we'll end up in Crystal Tower more than any other because people need it for MSQ. That's fine.

People cheesing doesn't help though. If you have ever sat in a specific queue that was almost full, and watched most of the members who are in a non-specific queue get sucked out right as you're about to fill, it's due to cheesers weighting the queue toward Crystal Tower. You could have sat in your queue for 30 minutes and be almost ready to roll, and then zip, people weight the queue toward CT and all the people in Alliance Roulette who would qualify for the duty you want to do get thrown into CT.

This also deprives new players of a reasonably fast queue into duties they've never done before, making it harder for them to do Mhach, Ivalice, etc.

So as a result of you just seeing it one way, you've revealed how much you don't actually know.

It's true, I dont know any more than my experience can tell me since I dont have access to any relevant data. But neither do you. My assumption is that queue cheesing will only have a very small effect on the roulette because vastly more people are doing CT for MSQ than the others which are as you know optional.

You might want to try to read the thread before replying, or maybe reading the post you're responding to if that's too much work. This is a discussion of cheating the queue by gearing down. Nobody is complaining about sprouts who need a clear.

I can return the "read the post" right back at you. Those CT raids would have happened anyway in my experience because some new player needed them for msq as evidenced by the first time completion bonus being active.

[Floortank]

We are on the same data center. Out of curiosity, when during the day are you queueing for alliance roulette?

It's true, I dont know any more than my experience can tell me since I dont have access to any relevant data. But neither do you. My assumption is that queue cheesing will only have a very small effect on the roulette because vastly more people are doing CT for MSQ than the others which are as you know optional.

I guess you've only been playing 2-3 months. I've been playing since beta and when there isn't a flood of new players, it's quite normal to get CT every day of the week with no "new player" bonus.

Also, I know how the queue works because I have the powers of observation and have thoroughly and extensively tested queue weighting to get people through content who have sat in a partial queue waiting hours for it to fill.

All it takes is to understand which roles are likely to queue a generic roulette and then to assume the roles that fill.

[Saraide]

I guess you've only been playing 2-3 months. I've been playing since beta and when there isn't a flood of new players, it's quite normal to get CT every day of the week with no "new player" bonus.

Also, I know how the queue works because I have the powers of observation and have thoroughly and extensively tested queue weighting to get people through content who have sat in a partial queue waiting hours for it to fill.

All it takes is to understand which roles are likely to queue a generic roulette and then to assume the roles that fill.

I've been playing for 1 and half years now so I'm glad for any experiences before that especially. In any case I am very much for solving the cause instead of the symptoms and the cause is that later alliance raids are much worse in terms of time vs reward. I've said it earlier in this thread already, essentially making all alliance raids mandatory could just drive massive amounts of people away from alliance roulette, which wouldnt help queues on non CT-raids but would also make CT queues worse. There needs to be a careful balance for time vs reward in the roulette so that people dont care about which alliance raid they get (and dont just flip towards the opposite of abandoning CT raids on sight). I genuinely do not believe it has anything to do with difficulty because to this day we have wipes in WoD.

[Kuroka]

In any case I am very much for solving the cause instead of the symptoms and the cause is that later alliance raids are much worse in terms of time vs reward.

No its actually the lower ones have too high rewards...

[Saraide]

No its actually the lower ones have too high rewards...

Leveling jobs takes long enough already, we really dont need to nerf the exp gained from alliance raid across the board. IMO we need a 'buff, dont nerf' approach here. But I'm glad we agree that the balance of time vs reward between the different alliance raids is off.

[kejakalope]

I can return the "read the post" right back at you. Those CT raids would have happened anyway in my experience because some new player needed them for msq as evidenced by the first time completion bonus being active.

Your experience isn't really worth anything since you're unwilling to parse any data-set other than whatever you happen to notice yourself. This thread has exhaustively detailed countless instances of no-new-people runs with folks visibly putting gear back on during raid start, but quite aside from that, some of us have been around since before the two big new player waves of Shadowbringers and have seen the shifts in the cycles of the queue. Pretty much all of Stormblood's patch cycles it was very rare to see any new players in any content. You still saw crystal tower three times as often as anything else back then. This is a real problem and it has been a real problem for a long time.

Now it's even worse, because you have a deluge of new players (who should be there, and weighing the queue, and it's fine that they are), plus the same selfish people who made it a huge problem before Blizzard Thanos-snapped half of its customers over to XIV.

[Averax]

The point of roulettes is to fill up duties for new players. I've done many alliance raid runs recently and I dont remember getting any of the crystal tower raids without also having the first time completion bonus active.

Yeah and maybe new players wanna tackle the void ark saga, or ivalice, or nier.

The problem being discussed in this thread is people who are stripping down before queuing for roulettes to lower their ilvl so they don't get put into any of those other raids, and will just get LOTA or ST. Thereby making it more difficult to queue up for any other raid.

The simple solution to this is to simply have the game check for bag item level, if the gear in your bag is equipable by your current job, and is of a higher item level, then it will be counted when going into queue.

Before alliance roulette it was borderline impossible to get a group going for any non-current alliance raid, and now people are using game mechanics to make it difficult to do anything other than the CT saga.