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[NaidCaldera]

ofcourse they can do whatever they want

maybe i worded it the wrong way, for me it makes sense that Double Down uses 2 cartridges because you strike 2 times with it and i dont think they will change that

and i like for abilties to makes sense and be immersive (from a non balance standpoint)

[Ixon]

ofcourse they can do whatever they want

maybe i worded it the wrong way, for me it makes sense that Double Down uses 2 cartridges because you strike 2 times with it and i dont think they will change that

and i like for abilties to makes sense and be immersive (from a non balance standpoint)

While I understand that sentiment, we also use just one cartridge to perform: Gnashing Fang > Jugular Rip > Savage Claw > Abdomen Tear > Wicked Talon > Eye Gouge. So if we can use one cartridge for a six-fold attack, using just one for Double Down doesn't seem too farfetched to me. Plus, DRK got pretty much the same exact thing with the two charges of Shadowbringers, but for some reason theirs is completely free.

[NaidCaldera]

yes that always bugged me, from a thematic standpoint every explosion skill should use 1 cartridge, but sadly there is no easy way to make that work with a 2/3 cartridges system

also i think we should not compare this to drk, drk has way worse gameplay, they should not balance more abilities crossclass, we dont need more warrior clones

[Ixon]

yes that always bugged me, from a thematic standpoint every explosion skill should use 1 cartridge, but sadly there is no easy way to make that work with a 2/3 cartridges system

also i think we should not compare this to drk, drk has way worse gameplay, they should not balance more abilities crossclass, we dont need more warrior clones

Comparing jobs is how you balance the jobs. You can compare without homogenizing.

[Shurrikhan]

While I understand that sentiment, we also use just one cartridge to perform: Gnashing Fang > Jugular Rip > Savage Claw > Abdomen Tear > Wicked Talon > Eye Gouge. So if we can use one cartridge for a six-fold attack, using just one for Double Down doesn't seem too farfetched to me. Plus, DRK got pretty much the same exact thing with the two charges of Shadowbringers, but for some reason theirs is completely free.

Except, you're only using the cartridge for the one skill, Gnashing Fang. All skills thereafter are quite literally a combo / Continuation of that skill. If the skill is to be called Double Down, why wouldn't it cost double?

The main question is whether being mindful of one's gauge is fun, which is likely to see mixed answers. Take Stormblood-period SAM's gauge-margining for example. More seemed to like it than not --though likewise a majority seemed willing to sacrifice part of that for Hagakure being less restricted.

Thereafter, it simply falls into the same matter of GCDs. For instance, if Double-Down had a combo GCD, then it'd simply replace two Burst Strikes.

[Ixon]

I mean, Double Down could also refer to how your character leaps up and slashes downwards, twice. Tri-Disaster is still named Tri-Disaster even though the three DoTs are gone.

[Shinimas]

If the skill is to be called Double Down, why wouldn't it cost double?

You're actually serious, aren't you?

[Shurrikhan]

You're actually serious, aren't you?

I was literally responding to a quote indicating it was a misnomer so long as Gnashing Fang and its continuation didn't cost a total of 6 cartridges. The name (since the name originally attached to Double Down's animation has already been turned into our 90s resource-refresher) and skill were chosen in order to produce that effect.

The devs would not have switched things around and called it what they did unless they wanted a multi-cartridge spender.

From there, again,

The main question is whether being [that bit more] mindful of one's gauge is fun, which is likely to see mixed answers. Take Stormblood-period SAM's gauge-margining for example. More seemed to like it than not --though likewise a majority seemed willing to sacrifice part of that for Hagakure being less restricted.

Thereafter, it simply falls into the same matter of GCDs. For instance, if Double-Down had a combo GCD, then it'd simply replace two Burst Strikes.

[Aluja89]

I was literally responding to a quote indicating it was a misnomer so long as Gnashing Fang and its continuation didn't cost a total of 6 cartridges. The name (since the name originally attached to Double Down's animation has already been turned into our 90s resource-refresher) and skill were chosen in order to produce that effect.

The devs would not have switched things around and called it what they did unless they wanted a multi-cartridge spender.

From there, again,

Sounds a lot like they didn't test it and a lot less like something they wanted.

[Absurdity]

Sounds a lot like they didn't test it and a lot less like something they wanted.

I'm almost certain they didn't actually test any of the new additions in any environment more demanding than dungeon runs.