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    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    I don't need to sell on you anything. If you don't want a tail, don't play miqo'te, au ra, or hrothgar. It's literally that simple.

    Ultimately removing tails is a terrible band-aid fix for the real problem, which is the fact that SE designs armor for hyur despite the fact the majority of their playerbase plays characters with tails. I've accepted there will be clipping because they won't do this, but legitimately removing character customization options is a really, really bad choice for a game like this.

    I dislike calling devs of any game lazy because I know there's a lot of work that goes into this, but it's hard not to see this as the laziest solution to an entirely self-inflicted problem. Imagine if their solution for hair clipping was to just remove the hair of everyone who wore the chestpiece. A bit extreme, but there's not much difference.
    Then you can deal with the gear that hides your ears and tail by default, and just not use it. Simple as, problem solved, we both go our own ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    Then you can deal with the gear that hides your ears and tail by default, and just not use it. Simple as, problem solved, we both go our own ways.
    This really isn't that complicated. If you want a hyur, play a hyur. Don't force everyone else to look like hyur too.

    One is a choice you can make that affects you. The second affects everyone who uses that armor regardless of the race selection they made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    This really isn't that complicated. If you want a hyur, play a hyur. Don't force everyone else to look like hyur too.
    I'm not forcing anyone to look like anything by asking for a personal gear toggle to hide my own tail.

    If you're talking about the Moonward gear though... it really isn't that complicated. You have every other cape in the game. Go wear one of those and run around merrily with your tail poked clear through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    I'm not forcing anyone to look like anything by asking for a personal gear toggle to hide my own tail.
    If you want a toggle that's fine. Until it's implemented, don't force your choices on everyone else.

    It's not that much to want the race to look like it does in character selection. You're advocating that some armor should make your character's base customization look different simply because you want it to. I'm saying my character should look like I customized them. It's just literally how the race looks and arbitrarily removing features is the wrong decision.

    If you want to fix clipping, advocate for armors designed with racial features in mind. Removing the tail is not an actual solution to that problem at all.
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    Last edited by Arzalis; 12-28-2021 at 01:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arzalis View Post
    If you want a toggle that's fine. Until it's implemented, don't force your choices on everyone else.

    It's not that much to want the race to look like it does in character selection. You're advocating that some armor should make your character's base customization look different simply because you want it to. I'm saying my character should look like I customized them. It's just literally how the race looks and arbitrarily removing features is the wrong decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell View Post
    It'd be nice if they made the tail removal optional. I personally like that the Moonward hides my Au Ra's tail just because it's easier for me to "headcanon" it into being my tail is just hidden beneath the cape rather than poking straight through it, but it's definitely something that should be optional.
    I'm advocating for the option to change how my character looks to preserve some verisimilitude that gets destroyed when seeing clipping like through a cape. I can deal with most clipping just fine--cloaks? Sure. Hoods? Sure. Hats? Cool. But the cape being an almost standalone part of any outfit having a tail poking through it would destroy any sense of balance a tail is supposed to give.

    Moreover, from my very first post in this thread, and from the posts you've been responding to, I've been asking for a toggle. I got sassy with you when you responded that you "don't have to sell me anything" indicating to me you weren't looking for a compromise. I agree, the forced stuff is annoying, as evidenced by my very first post in this thread, and it definitely should be optional. The ears too, I'm in agreement with Iscah and not knowing why they're so hard to implement when horns very consistently clip through everything.

    The capes though, at the very least, I would like a toggle if not them to outright change the tail's model to force it to point further down to accommodate the cape.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.