Gear that Deletes racial features needs to not be a thing

[SaberMaxwell]

If you want a toggle that's fine. Until it's implemented, don't force your choices on everyone else.

It's not that much to want the race to look like it does in character selection. You're advocating that some armor should make your character's base customization look different simply because you want it to. I'm saying my character should look like I customized them. It's just literally how the race looks and arbitrarily removing features is the wrong decision.

It'd be nice if they made the tail removal optional. I personally like that the Moonward hides my Au Ra's tail just because it's easier for me to "headcanon" it into being my tail is just hidden beneath the cape rather than poking straight through it, but it's definitely something that should be optional.

I'm advocating for the option to change how my character looks to preserve some verisimilitude that gets destroyed when seeing clipping like through a cape. I can deal with most clipping just fine--cloaks? Sure. Hoods? Sure. Hats? Cool. But the cape being an almost standalone part of any outfit having a tail poking through it would destroy any sense of balance a tail is supposed to give.

Moreover, from my very first post in this thread, and from the posts you've been responding to, I've been asking for a toggle. I got sassy with you when you responded that you "don't have to sell me anything" indicating to me you weren't looking for a compromise. I agree, the forced stuff is annoying, as evidenced by my very first post in this thread, and it definitely should be optional. The ears too, I'm in agreement with Iscah and not knowing why they're so hard to implement when horns very consistently clip through everything.

The capes though, at the very least, I would like a toggle if not them to outright change the tail's model to force it to point further down to accommodate the cape.

[reivaxe]

No thank you. If they're so worried about clipping, animate a tail that fits under the cloak. Seriously. Don't be lazy and just lop the thing off. Make actual armor that makes sense.

It's easy to call something lazy from your armchair.

And thats not what they're saying.

They're saying make it so you equip a -chest- armor deletes your hair. All of it. Not just the bits that headgear does already. But the ENTIRE bit of your hair. You're now bald because you decided to put on a chestpiece that had high shoulderpads.

What they're saying, to be blunt, is nonsense.
How is that the same at all? Jackets deal with body stuff, tails are body stuff.

Head stuff is ... head stuff. They will assume you're a functioning human being that's seen a cat before and can parse out that "Cat ears can lay down flat on the skull with no problem" when making hats like this and this. They don't care what hairstyle you pick, if you use certain hats it's gone because it doesn't work well with them.

Furthermore, they have a long history of changing your character's customization choices to suite an aesthetic. Be it replacing ears and tails for werewolf gear, chopping hair for hats or giving you max boob for certain outfits.

And again, no one's even pointed out WHY this shouldn't be a toggle. It's legit the best option that takes nothing away from either camp. If they're not gonna do a toggle then I agree with their direction on this, turn off the tail for things that make sense and leave it on for anything else. They're prob not gonna go back and retroactively do this to gear but if this is how they handle things for now on then good on them.

[RhaesDaenys]

It's easy to call something lazy from your armchair.


What they're saying, to be blunt, is nonsense.
How is that the same at all? Jackets deal with body stuff, tails are body stuff.

Head stuff is ... head stuff. They will assume you're a functioning human being that's seen a cat before and can parse out that "Cat ears can lay down flat on the skull with no problem" when making hats like this and this. They don't care what hairstyle you pick, if you use certain hats it's gone because it doesn't work well with them.

Furthermore, they have a long history of changing your character's customization choices to suite an aesthetic. Be it replacing ears and tails for werewolf gear, chopping hair for hats or giving you max boob for certain outfits.

And again, no one's even pointed out WHY this shouldn't be a toggle. It's legit the best option that takes nothing away from either camp. If they're not gonna do a toggle then I agree with their direction on this, turn off the tail for things that make sense and leave it on for anything else. They're prob not gonna go back and retroactively do this to gear but if this is how they handle things for now on then good on them.

No. Tails are -pants- stuff. Not torso stuff. And its a big freaking deal okay? I didn't make an Au'ra to have one of my races defining features just be OPTIONAL because of devs not wanting 'clipping'.

[SturmChurro]

No. Tails are -pants- stuff. Not torso stuff. And its a big freaking deal okay? I didn't make an Au'ra to have one of my races defining features just be OPTIONAL because of devs not wanting 'clipping'.

Pretty much. SE should have thought of that before they added tailed races. It makes it feel more like cutting corners, rather than a proper attempt at quality control. If they are going to make a toggle, instead of removing racial features, it should actually be something along the lines of a cape toggle instead - if they are so intent on continuously adding them to tops.

[Espon]

you have a point, but I've never been a fan of the 'change race' argument, especially when most early pieces accommodate tails. I feel there is more to races than just tails and ears.

Surely its easier to not wear those two chest pieces that hide the tail than recommend people change race.

Problem is, it's setting a trend. In Shadowbringers they stopped accommodating for ears in headgear with almost all the later stuff removing them, and in Endwalker I have only seen 2 new headgear models that do not cut off the ears (dragoon and reaper AF). Everything else that covers the head removes the ears. Now they're doing the same for tails.

[Arzalis]

Problem is, it's setting a trend. In Shadowbringers they stopped accommodating for ears in headgear with almost all the later stuff removing them, and in Endwalker I have only seen 2 new headgear models that do not cut off the ears (dragoon and reaper AF). Everything else that covers the head removes the ears. Now they're doing the same for tails.

Bingo. Right now it's one or two armor pieces, but it will start a trend. Eventually they'll just do it for most gear in the patch/expansion because it's easier than coming up with a proper solution. SE needs to understand the majority of the player characters in the game have tails and they need to accommodate that in their gear designs. They aren't optional.

[Iscah]

No. Tails are -pants- stuff. Not torso stuff.

They're somewhere between the two, and all evidence points to the developer-controlled show/hide toggle switch being attached to the torso piece. It's the Evenstar coat (not the tights) that hides the tail because it has the fake one built into the coat, and now it's the Moonward body pieces doing the same thing.

[KaijinRhada]

Problem is, it's setting a trend. In Shadowbringers they stopped accommodating for ears in headgear with almost all the later stuff removing them, and in Endwalker I have only seen 2 new headgear models that do not cut off the ears (dragoon and reaper AF). Everything else that covers the head removes the ears. Now they're doing the same for tails.

This is a worry in the back of my mind. In a perfect world, there would be a toggle to show/hide such features, or another more amenable solution for both sides of the argument.

[Jin-]

So far I haven't seen any of that big budget in the game. Not much voice acting compared to ShB. Lazy recolor armor sets. Tails and ears cut off. The more this game grows the less effort they put on it, at least from customer's viewpoint.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I think them hiding the tail actually looks like it has more effort than the old sets with capes where the tails just clip through them.
Using images from online but still, does THIS look like there's more effort in the design than hiding the tail.