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    Oextra's Avatar
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    Dehal Valdir
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    Excalibur
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    It's an issue in that it allowed me to just grab 2 decent DPS over shout chat to play alongside my RDM friend and literally not bother with a healer during dungeon spams to level as Warrior, and that I could still keep myself and my DPS alive while zombie-ing through said dungeons, sick and tired from my booster. When one role makes another defunct, let alone with no real effort required, that's not great for the overall experience.
    I find it funny that you typed this as an attempt to show that war healing is broken when you were rolling with a DPS/healer (rdm) while "zombie-ing" through dungeons (which are never challenging). You also missed the point that war and pld have been capable of this back in ShB. Wasn't broken then. Not broken now. Also I've done a lv 80 dungeon this expansion with no tank. Just me pseudo tanking on MnK, with a whm and a rdm. So I guess MnK is also op.....
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Oextra View Post
    I find it funny that you typed this as an attempt to show that war healing is broken when you were rolling with a DPS/healer (rdm)
    :: First, off, no Vercures were used except between fights. I think in Ktisis one DPS mis-aimed their Elusive when maxing uptime of meteors and went into the drink and was Verraised, across Zot -> Aitiascope. An RDM is not remotely relevant when you're running a Warrior. Lacking the 30% trait, a RDM's 350 cure potency is worth only 270 of an actual healer's.

    You also missed the point that war and pld have been capable of this back in ShB. Wasn't broken then. Not broken now. Also I've done a lv 80 dungeon this expansion with no tank. Just me pseudo tanking on MnK, with a whm and a rdm. So I guess MnK is also op.....
    No, I did not miss the point. I argued that there is a matter of degree before which being able to no-heal is fine and after which being to no-heal 00easily, thoughtlessly, and faster-- is not.

    Let's take your "OP Monk tank" example. Was it faster to do that dungeon tanking as a Monk than with an actual tank? Twice in the last three days, I've three-manned (Reaper/Monk-tanked) the first two bosses of dungeons during the period where we couldn't kick and replace our d/ced tank. You don't even need RoE/AC to survive the tankbusters. I've done similar in every expansion. Even if we'd had another dps, though, it certainly wouldn't have been faster than taking a tank, unlike replacing the healer with a further DPS now when one's tank is a Warrior.

    No-tanking dungeons has been possible since 2.0. No-healing dungeons has been possible since 2.0. Neither, depending on one's comp, has ever stopped being possible. But, apart from the quickly nerfed Titan-Egi-based 4-SMN kite/swap groups, they have never been faster nor as easy to pull off as traditional 1/2/1 groups from the moment Mind gear split from Intelligence. That's the difference.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 12-28-2021 at 07:43 AM.