So you're telling me..

[Scuoll]

So...what part was untrue? You disagreeing does not make my statements untrue.

It IS a 3% buff. The heal potency IS 100, lasting 15 seconds and only if your crest is broke. Don't roll in on someone saying they're lying when they aren't.

Are these abilities strong? Yes, but not wildly so. You say it's about as strong as Litany, but so what? You want it to be notably weaker? And a heal ability that can only be used if your crest is up and takes more than 10% of your health? Very conditional.

The only thing that needs work is the raw damage. Their utilities are fine as they are.

Of course i am not saying its not a 3% buff, its in the tooltip, i am saying it is a really good raidbuff , saying "its just 3%" makes it seem like its weak, when it really isnt other than if compared to brotherhood.

If a dps healing the party more than a tank over the course of a fight is not wildly powerful, i guess there are no powerful abilities in the game at all? How would you rate shade shift and life surge (lol) if arcane crest is not overpowered?

I am not saying you are lying, just misrepresenting the situation, reaper is so much better than the other classes under every aspect, except maybe monk damage which from what i understand is doing a different rotation the developers didnt find out or something.
Just to put it this way, if reaper/ninja/dragoon are all doing similar damage, lets say 1% difference from each other instead of the actually massive 5% lead reaper has, why would you not always bring the class that can also heal you like maybe half a healer, which potentially saves healer gcds = more damage, which also happens to be easier to play so players of similar skill are more likely to perform better on reaper?

Current balancing is bad, one job cant excel at everything, and tbh its not like reaper is not going to suddenly be unfun if you are doing the same skills just without effortlessly topping meters. Just step back for a second and compare it to the other jobs, should ther not be some upside to bringing them sometimes?

[ssunny2008]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

Have you even checked everything?

In 5/6 fights Reaper is in the first place in kind of damage. In 1/6 MNK lacks even behind SAM and BLM.
On top you've way more parses on RPR, but it still outperforms everything.

And have a look at the other DPS classes. All of them lack behind!
It might be somehow justified against SAM/BLM caused by the utility and that DNC/SMN sit on the bottom with the "no efford gameplay", but RPR and MNK top damage with utility and braindead gameplay? This is a joke.

Monk needs a revamp anyway, but Reaper as a new class is just straight up broken.

[Wyakin]

Of course i am not saying its not a 3% buff, its in the tooltip, i am saying it is a really good raidbuff , saying "its just 3%" makes it seem like its weak, when it really isnt other than if compared to brotherhood.

If a dps healing the party more than a tank over the course of a fight is not wildly powerful, i guess there are no powerful abilities in the game at all? How would you rate shade shift and life surge (lol) if arcane crest is not overpowered?

I am not saying you are lying, just misrepresenting the situation, reaper is so much better than the other classes under every aspect, except maybe monk damage which from what i understand is doing a different rotation the developers didnt find out or something.
Just to put it this way, if reaper/ninja/dragoon are all doing similar damage, lets say 1% difference from each other instead of the actually massive 5% lead reaper has, why would you not always bring the class that can also heal you like maybe half a healer, which potentially saves healer gcds = more damage, which also happens to be easier to play so players of similar skill are more likely to perform better on reaper?

Current balancing is bad, one job cant excel at everything, and tbh its not like reaper is not going to suddenly be unfun if you are doing the same skills just without effortlessly topping meters. Just step back for a second and compare it to the other jobs, should ther not be some upside to bringing them sometimes?

Why are you so focussed on the healing? Any healer worth their salt would plan their CDs around that ability not even being pressed making its “utility” fundamentally pointless and used in such niche environments(like greeding uptime in zodiark) it has little to no affect on balancing.

Compare the 3% buff to all other jobs and it’s kinda on the low end, deservingly so. So we’re good there. It’s less than brotherhood, less than trick, less than litany. Lovely.

Reaper is powerful, it’s nice to not see samurai topping every meter for once. It’s nice seeing monk doing some serious damage and I for one (although I believe samurai needs a buff) am glad to see SEs golden child knocked down a peg or two

[Wyakin]

Have you even checked everything?

In 5/6 fights Reaper is in the first place in kind of damage. In 1/6 MNK lacks even behind SAM and BLM.
On top you've way more parses on RPR, but it still outperforms everything.

And have a look at the other DPS classes. All of them lack behind!
It might be somehow justified against SAM/BLM caused by the utility and that DNC/SMN sit on the bottom with the "no efford gameplay", but RPR and MNK top damage with utility and braindead gameplay? This is a joke.

Monk needs a revamp anyway, but Reaper as a new class is just straight up broken.

Yeah… you’re wrong. I bet you’re looking at lower percentiles and not actual players who can play.

[ssunny2008]

Yeah… you’re wrong. I bet you’re looking at lower percentiles and not actual players who can play.

I've checked the overall DPS rankings and they say more about the classes than some 100% parses happened under perfect circumstances and / or just luck with boss mechanics (melee uptime) or in kind of MNK even forbidden chakra proccs.

Reaper has the most parses imo and given to the amount + that obvious "worse" players still perform a decent DPS is a clear indicator that this class is broken.

[IchiExorz]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

Because MNK is also overtuned. I wouldn't necessarily say overpowered but both jobs seem to be overperforming.
Are BLM & SAM actually underperforming or does it only look that way because RPR & MNK are overperforming?

I'm personally more of a fan of nerfing RPR & MNK rather than buffing SAM & BLM.

[Wyakin]

Because MNK is also overtuned. I wouldn't necessarily say overpowered but both jobs seem to be overperforming.
Are BLM & SAM actually underperforming or does it only look that way because RPR & MNK are overperforming?

I'm personally more of a fan of nerfing RPR & MNK rather than buffing SAM & BLM.

I believe they shouldn’t nerf either of them and it would be a huge shame especially for monks. They finally get their rework, finally deal some serious damage. A new job which works right off the bat unlike SB samurai for example is also a nice change. No one likes seeing nerfs. It would spoil an otherwise very fun start to an expansion.

It’s the sorry few in this thread who are like “my job isn’t too dps anymore” and in all honesty I’m glad SE doesn’t listen to these forums when it comes to job balancing.

[Scuoll]

Why are you so focussed on the healing? Any healer worth their salt would plan their CDs around that ability not even being pressed making its “utility” fundamentally pointless and used in such niche environments(like greeding uptime in zodiark) it has little to no affect on balancing.

Compare the 3% buff to all other jobs and it’s kinda on the low end, deservingly so. So we’re good there. It’s less than brotherhood, less than trick, less than litany. Lovely.

Because it literally exists? If one class can do it and the others cant its a bonus lol, it should be factored in. Sure, i can understand the argument then when you are farming the fight everything is nicely planned out and its just good, not broken, but do you do all fights perfectly from day 1? It helps you the most during progress, the hardest part, and i am focused on it because it is objectively the second best utility skill behind red mage instant cast rez, which btw also drops in value when you are farming the fight, but just because with optimal play its just good instead of broken doesnt mean it shouldnt be counted in? Like one job gets shade shift and one gets crest, do you honestly think those two skills warrant the same power budget?

I ask you again this question, what is the point of bringing other melee jobs if reaper is easier, so that players of similar skill level are likely to perform better on it, and also excels in both utility AND damage? What is the upside to playing another class other than you enjoying it, which is completely fair of course since people want to have fun, but also objectively not a good measure to decide if something is balanced.

Also you wrote in another post that people are forming these opinions looking at low percentiles on the 6 current endgame fights available, here are screenshots of 95 percentile for both the raid and extremes https://imgur.com/a/NA1AEVj
If you go lower reaper's lead only grows, since its easier to play.

[MagiusNecros]

Lot of Reaper salt and darkness in this thread.

[Duskane]

Can’t even be bothered to read most of this thread and the stupid idiotic examples of why reaper is “overpowered”

If reaper is so OP why is monk out performing it in 3/6 of the current available fights at 90? If it’s healing is so over powered what about chakra? If it’s utility is so powerful what about brotherhood?

Ladies and gentlemen no, reaper isn’t over powered. BLM and SAM are simply under performing

yeah lets trivialise dps checks by making everything to MNK/RPR range and push SAM and BLM to ludicrous levels