Nothing makes sense and it's all Elidibus' fault (Spoilers)

[Jennah]

If you ask me, either the rules G'raha's time travel make sense, or the rules of the Elpis journey do.
Both at once in the same story do not.

[Hysorn]

If you ask me, either the rules G'raha's time travel make sense, or the rules of the Elpis journey do.
Both at once in the same story do not.

I assume that this happened because G'raha travelled to another shard instead of directly to the past, he travelled to the First 100 years prior to when he expected to.

You gotta remember that our characters are a causal loop, we always went back to the past which led to Venat choosing us, we don't know how that loop started but that's what happened, so it's safe to assume that G'raha having experienced the rejoining, travelling to the First and pulling us from the Source is part of how we got back to the past in the first place, so in a way, his time travel stuff was always part of the main timeline.

[NishaSetsuya]

I assume that this happened because G'raha travelled to another shard instead of directly to the past, he travelled to the First 100 years prior to when he expected to.

You gotta remember that our characters are a causal loop, we always went back to the past which led to Venat choosing us, we don't know how that loop started but that's what happened, so it's safe to assume that G'raha having experienced the rejoining, travelling to the First and pulling us from the Source is part of how we got back to the past in the first place, so in a way, his time travel stuff was always part of the main timeline.

From what been told about Azem the WOL keep a huge part of azem dumb reckless habit like throwing ourself in the midst of battle, affronting alone a world ending creature to protect our friend and the world
Like... Azem literally threw himself into a volcano to stop it from erupting and do so much reckless stuff that Emet complaint everydays xD

For me this is the most glaring plot hole in a plot that's so full of them.

Clearly she does, which means she did when she first 'chose' us in 2.0 .. yet she never once has mentioned it till now. 6.0 is in the 'future' in 2.0's time obviously but our trip to Elpis happened in the 'past' for her at that moment.

This is the problem when stories try to use time travel as a plot device, no story I've ever read/played made a satisfactory use of it likely because if a writer tries to close all the plot holes this device creates the time travel device itself would fall apart.

IMO the time travelling was on point on FFXIV and doesnt make plot hole everything is explained to you directly

See that's something that bugs me. It's obvious Themis is Elidibus. Really obvious. TOO obvious.

Like, every other time this expansion there was a "twist" that was super-duper obvious they just call it out right away. Loporrits with a mysterious group they're in contact with? Yeah, it's the Forum, we know. A mysterious dragon ally of some dude who rules Thavnair with some weird red-eyed kid with a weirdly large amount of authority? Yeah pull down the curtain and show yourself, Vrtra. But then there's Themis and... nobody's calling it out. Maybe the WoL is just kinda dumb, one too many hits to the head. Y'shtola and Estinien were the ones to call out the ones above. I dunno. I think they might do some weird double-fakeout.

You talk about obvious plot, i talk about very detailed plot, so detailed that you can connect point by point the overall story, it's not bad writting and plot twist arent always the thing that make a good story

[Raven2014]

why wyould you think we don't regonize Elidibus?